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Old 10-11-2009, 04:51 PM   #101 (permalink)
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Mitchel, you agreed with me on that, but you didn't address my response to your comment. Your method of monitoring farms for quality control would cost more money. Our economy is hurting as it is without having to worry about spending more on food preservation.

Im not agreeing with one extreme or the other.. I feel the answer is somewhere in the middle.
Sorry but I don't have an answer. As you stated it seems that by now we should either have proof that it either makes you sick or doesn't, or some newer technoligy.

BTW, how could I agree with a question that you asked? It was a question, not a statement. I'm just saying that from what I've read it doesn't appear that there is any long term studies that have been published proving the safety of this.
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The bigger question is does it [irridation] give growers and processors an excuse to be slackers?
I don't believe so. In some cases it is used in addition to present methods, in other cases it is used in situations where it is more effective than present methods. An example is the import of mangosteen fruits from Thailand. The fruit seeds can contain the embryos of exotic pests. Irridation is the only known non-destructive way to destroy the embryos in whole fruit. Consequently, whole mangosteen fruit must be irridated prior to entering the U.S.

As far as the concerns some people have about irridation, I'm not sure what their issues are. Certainly anyone who avoids irridated food should also avoid food cooked in a microwave oven.
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Just a thought,

I believe that the germophobia that america has is largely responsible for many of the outbreaks of foodborne illness that we see nowadays. As a child I played in the dirt and spent hours in the woods. I've drank milk that came right from the cow or goats udder (which the USDA says is pretty risky) and eaten fruits and vegetables right out of the garden(Most fruits and vegetables are treated with fungicides or washed in a chlorine solution before you get to eat them.) I rarely get sick. My wife on the other hand grew up with a nurse and led a fairly sanitized childhood and she gets sick quite often and has a host of allergies.
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I don't believe so. In some cases it is used in addition to present methods, in other cases it is used in situations where it is more effective than present methods. An example is the import of mangosteen fruits from Thailand. The fruit seeds can contain the embryos of exotic pests. Irridation is the only known non-destructive way to destroy the embryos in whole fruit. Consequently, whole mangosteen fruit must be irridated prior to entering the U.S.
You know, this could be used as an argument for eating only locally grown food.
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You know, this could be used as an argument for eating only locally grown food.
Sure, although keep in mind that a microwave oven bombards food with much more radiation than the process used to irradiate produce and meat.
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Sure, although keep in mind that a microwave oven bombards food with much more radiation than the process used to irradiate produce and meat.
I prefer to cook with fire, it makes me feel more macho.
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I prefer to cook with fire, it makes me feel more macho.
Yes, my neighbor barbeques almost every night of the year. They use the stove top for side dishes, but rarely is anything baked in the oven.

A microwave "cooks" food by irridating it with electromagnetic energy with a frequency near 10^11 Hz (100 GHz).

When you cook with radiant heat, you are irridating your food with electromagnetic energy with a frequency of about 10^14 Hz (100 THz).

I believe that produce and meats that are "sterilized" by irridation are exposed to electromagnetic energy with a frequency of about 10^20 Hz.

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Does your neighbor BBQ, grill or gas grill? I'm a bit of a purist about BBQ/smoking.
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He irradiates with a propane flame source.
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This is all very interesting. Which is better...propane or charcoal? I do charcoal because the flavor is better, & sometimes I put hickory or apple wood chips on for a little smoking.
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This is all very interesting. Which is better...propane or charcoal? I do charcoal because the flavor is better, & sometimes I put hickory or apple wood chips on for a little smoking.
Hardwood lump charcoal or briquette?
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Uuuuuh, the Kingsford stuff(?) All it says is 'charcoal'. I think it's the long burning stuff.
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OK, OK, I guess it's briquetts. Also, I do not use lighter fluid to start them, I use 2 coffee cans stacked, & start them with paper underneath.
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I don't believe so. In some cases it is used in addition to present methods, in other cases it is used in situations where it is more effective than present methods. An example is the import of mangosteen fruits from Thailand. The fruit seeds can contain the embryos of exotic pests. Irridation is the only known non-destructive way to destroy the embryos in whole fruit. Consequently, whole mangosteen fruit must be irridated prior to entering the U.S.

As far as the concerns some people have about irridation, I'm not sure what their issues are. Certainly anyone who avoids irridated food should also avoid food cooked in a microwave oven.
dont ues a microwave oven have one don't ues it. it was given to me as a gift by a friend that didn't know i dont ues them. i exsepted it, as it was the polite thing to do.
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BTW, how could I agree with a question that you asked? It was a question, not a statement.
It was a rhetorical question.

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I once knew an old man that was a diver cleaning the bottom of boats in Marina Del Rey which has some very toxic disgusting stagnant water with who knows what kind of crazy stuff in it. He told me that he never gets sick and his doctor told him he had the highest white cell count he'd ever seen. It's said that children should be allowed to play in dirt because it boosts their immunity. So what I'm trying to say it that here may be something to what your saying!
Yes! So many people try and keep their children in a bubble.. they don't realize they're doing more harm than good. As a child, I spent every waking hour outside. Today.. I rarely put on gloves when digging around in the dirt outside, I throw caution to the wind when it comes to trying foods, and I get in my car and crank the AC when I get out of the gym soaked in sweat. The only time I've ever missed work, or even school, was when I had the chicken pox as a kid!

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dont ues a microwave oven have one don't ues it. it was given to me as a gift by a friend that didn't know i dont ues them. i exsepted it, as it was the polite thing to do.
My wife pokes fun at me because I don't even use it to warm things up! Im not a fan of TV dinners either, so I really don't have any use for it.

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OK, OK, I guess it's briquetts. Also, I do not use lighter fluid to start them, I use 2 coffee cans stacked, & start them with paper underneath.
( Is this making sense? Do you know what I mean?)
I think I saw Alton Brown using the coffee can stack on a "Good Eats' episode.

I miss the good ol' days of real BBQ, but propane is so convenient.

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When I live in gainesville a hurricane knocked down an oak and my buddies and I turned it into firewood and ate food cooked in an open pit for about 6 months. It was a good six months because open pit fires = copius amounts of beer.
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Yes, it's called a chimney. You can buy them already made though with a built in handle. I avoid using briquettes because they are full of nasty fillers. The lump charcoal is made from real wood and is available at most markets these days.
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Home Depot or Low's Cowboy coal its 100 natural no fillers and its what i use as a substitute for Bio char this stuff has lots uses can be giving in a ground up form to absorb poisons in the stomach helps to absorb toxins in potted plants and makes a heck of a good stake on the Barby!
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