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The metal content of fertilizers produced in California can be found here: Fertilizer Product Database

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The sad part is, by law, if heavy metals are added as "inert" ingredients, which they commonly are, legally this information does not have to be disclosed.
That's not true. All U.S. fertilizer manufacturers are required to provide a MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet) for their product which includes a complete chemical analysis. You can usually find these online but in some cases might need to contact the manufacturer by shoe mail.
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Thanks Richard, I was fairly certain of my statement having contacted one manufacturer to find out the concentration of biuret in their urea--which they readily provided.
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Anyone now care for some grape juice.
All bottled or packaged juice sold at room temperature in the U.S. is pasteurized, a highly unnatural process. Some markets carry refrigerated un-pasterized juices. Mitchel has a lead on some unpasteurized pomegranate juice if you're interested.
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All bottled or packaged juice sold at room temperature in the U.S. is pasteurized, a highly unnatural process. Some markets carry refrigerated un-pasterized juices. Mitchel has a lead on some unpasteurized pomegranate juice if you're interested.
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Pastuerizing is processing and it kills thing, so it must be bad!
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Pastuerizing is processing and it kills thing, so it must be bad!
Processing an organically raised animal is not a bad thing at all.
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Processing an organically raised animal is not a bad thing at all.
with much humor intended, how about irradiating the meat of an organically raised animal?
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What is wrong with processing a natural mineral?
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with much humor intended, how about irradiating the meat of an organically raised animal?
That's an interesting topic.

A new thread maybe?
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That's an interesting topic.

A new thread maybe?
I don't know. Does "meat irradiation" fall into your terminology of "processing meat" ?
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Meat is not the only food irradiated. Lots of fruits and veggies are irradiated. It is a process that helps keep food longer and prevents disease, killing fungus and bacteria--uh-oh, another "process" and it also "kills" and it involves radioactive materials! It must be really bad!

Here is a good link on the subject:Food Irradiation

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Meat is not the only food irradiated. Lots of fruits and veggies are irradiated. It is a process that helps keep food longer and prevents disease, killing fungus and bacteria--uh-oh, another "process" and it also "kills" and it involves radioactive materials! It must be really bad!

Here is a good link on the subject:Food Irradiation
Very interesting. I did not know about this.
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But ... radiation is natural !
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The bigger question is does it give growers and processors an excuse to be slackers?
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i don't want to harp on this point but as a chef i think about foods allot Naturally I'm my mind i often ponder what makes food good its not just the taste which from a chefs point of view is vary impotent but i also am intensely interested in its different qualities how fresh is it so I'm not to keen on irradiation as a preservative also i think about the various naturally accruing bacterias and fungi which we as Humans have a symbiotic relationship to for example people that don't eat beef for years then on the odd ocation they consume so and promptly get intense abdominal cramps bloating and some times will vomit most Vegatareans assume this is from the fact that beef is bad for you and I'm not here to say one way or the other on that point but the most likely culprit of this digestive upset is a lack of the symbiotic bacteria the we have in are gut to help us digest meat in general so whats the point of that simply put we need these their part of are good health and irradiation of any other process that kills indiscriminately the biotic we need to maintain are health is bad there are no amount of semantics that could in my mind disprove this point

Americans are spend millions of dollers a year on pro biotic dairy products to put these back in to there systems after they killed them off in the first place by eating foods that are toxic do to there preservatives and or processing
all say this i rarely if ever eat foods that I'm not intensely aware of were and how they were produced guess what guys and gals i almost never get sick iv had one cold in 12 years no one in my family possesses this kind of immunity so its probably not inherited i eat totally different then they do my diet in terms of preparation are more like an early 20cnt persons i cook plain and simple and i wash my hands like 40 times a day thats probably a big factor but all bet momoese hardly ever gets sick either well enough preaching i think you all get the point of were I'm going with this

PS on the down side if you dont like to cook thats bad as i do spend about 4 to 5 hr a day preparing my foods and baking or making butter or what ever but i do injoy this so its not a down side for me
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The bigger question is does it give growers and processors an excuse to be slackers?
It seems common for workers in any industry, to do only what is required of them. The less regulation, the more slacking off. The only way to control that, is to hire more regulators...hence, more money being spent to feed us.

I have to admit that I feel a little weird about radiation in our food too, mostly because I'm sure the main reason it is done, is because it is cheaper than the alternatives. I honestly feel a little uneasy about the fact that a process regarding radiation that was approved in the 50's is still in use today. I would think scientific research would lead to at least a few changes in the process. Has there really been enough scientific testing to say that there will be no ill effects one or two generations down the line??
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Has there really been enough scientific testing to say that there will be no ill effects one or two generations down the line??
Not from what I've read.
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Not from what I've read.
Mitchel, you agreed with me on that, but you didn't address my response to your comment. Your method of monitoring farms for quality control would cost more money. Our economy is hurting as it is without having to worry about spending more on food preservation.

Im not agreeing with one extreme or the other.. I feel the answer is somewhere in the middle.
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i don't want to harp on this point but as a chef i think about foods allot Naturally I'm my mind i often ponder what makes food good its not just the taste which from a chefs point of view is vary impotent but i also am intensely interested in its different qualities how fresh is it so I'm not to keen on irradiation as a preservative also i think about the various naturally accruing bacterias and fungi which we as Humans have a symbiotic relationship to for example people that don't eat beef for years then on the odd ocation they consume so and promptly get intense abdominal cramps bloating and some times will vomit most Vegatareans assume this is from the fact that beef is bad for you and I'm not here to say one way or the other on that point but the most likely culprit of this digestive upset is a lack of the symbiotic bacteria the we have in are gut to help us digest meat in general so whats the point of that simply put we need these their part of are good health and irradiation of any other process that kills indiscriminately the biotic we need to maintain are health is bad there are no amount of semantics that could in my mind disprove this point

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all say this i rarely if ever eat foods that I'm not intensely aware of were and how they were produced guess what guys and gals i almost never get sick iv had one cold in 12 years no one in my family possesses this kind of immunity so its probably not inherited i eat totally different then they do my diet in terms of preparation are more like an early 20cnt persons i cook plain and simple and i wash my hands like 40 times a day thats probably a big factor but all bet momoese hardly ever gets sick either well enough preaching i think you all get the point of were I'm going with this

PS on the down side if you dont like to cook thats bad as i do spend about 4 to 5 hr a day preparing my foods and baking or making butter or what ever but i do injoy this so its not a down side for me
hows that for thread recking and or bringing it back on to topic :-P
Well I recently had the swine flu but in general I don't get sick too much. My wife works for a doctor so she's around a lot of sick people and the doctor has 3 young children and we all know what they bring home from school, and I'm not talking about homework! So yeah I guess I don't get sick too often, but I don't think my diet is anywhere near as discriminating as yours from the sound of it. I do enjoy eating at taco trucks, hamburger joints and other places that serve what I consider toxic food. I once knew an old man that was a diver cleaning the bottom of boats in Marina Del Rey which has some very toxic disgusting stagnant water with who knows what kind of crazy stuff in it. He told me that he never gets sick and his doctor told him he had the highest white cell count he'd ever seen. It's said that children should be allowed to play in dirt because it boosts their immunity. So what I'm trying to say it that here may be something to what your saying!
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