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I've been testing this product for the past year on various crops. For bananas, it is only applied after flag leaf or bud emergence. It is basically a hormone product for situations where regular nutrient feeding is intractable.
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Richard --- what were your results so far? And please explain what those situations consist of.
This product was developed for situations where the farmer either didn't have access to or more simply couldn't afford a "standard" nutrient program. It has been successful in a number of applications.

Several trials have been carried out here (my home) and in countries afar.

In particular for bananas, a plantation in Honduras bought a several cases of quarts/liters to apply to about 200 acres of plantains. This was applied after initial bud fall instead of the usual application of seaweed extract. The yield over the former was about 1.5. Further, the yield of seaweed extract (essentially unrefined gibberellins) over no treatment at all was about two fold. So I would expect in U.S. home gardens where good horticultural practices are in place that there would be a 50% to 100% increase in yield.

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Richard what you're claiming is FALSE.

And even folks with just a basic understanding of bananas will know that.

Decades of research has shown that bunch size (i.e., # fingers, & # hands) is determined many months before bud emergence and no magic potions added after your "initial bud fall" will affect that.

Proper soil nutrients during the bud formation phase is a key to producing large bunches, and if you're capable of doing that then you're probably also capable of providing proper soil nutrients during the fruit filling phase.

The skin of a banana is comprised of cells and the research has shown that these cells can be stretched a little lengthways. This is commonly seen as the effect of hand pruning, you'll get longer fingers and smaller bunch weights, but it's an overall loss of food.

This is the reason why banana breeders are focused on creating synthetic hybrid cultivars that have more hands and fruit. You can only fill a fruit to it's limit, but when you increase the number of fruit you'll also increase the filling capacity of the bunch.

So I would expect in U.S. home gardens where good horticultural practices are in place that there would be little or no increase in bunch weights, but there probably would be an increase in places that have horrible horticultural practices.

With the standard HD growing practices used today, you're claiming that several cases of this "Stimulant" can fertilize about a half of a million plantains, amazing.


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In particular for bananas, a plantation in Honduras bought a several cases of quarts/liters to apply to about 200 acres of plantains. This was applied after initial bud fall instead of the usual application of seaweed extract. The yield over the former was about 1.5. Further, the yield of seaweed extract (essentially unrefined gibberellins) over no treatment at all was about two fold. So I would expect in U.S. home gardens where good horticultural practices are in place that there would be a 50% to 100% increase in yield.
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I will test it for you!
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"Decades of research has shown that bunch size (i.e., # fingers, & # hands) is determined many months before bud emergence and no magic potions added after your "initial bud fall" will affect that."

Bunch size is determined at bunch initiation, but ultimate yield is not. PGRs can increase girth and length of fingers which can increase yield. ProGibb is labeled for this very use.
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Bunch size & approximate yield are determined during bud formation, many months before bud emergence.

PGRs applied postharvest will not increase girth, length, or yield.

PGRs applied at planting (prior to the ultimate bud formation) does stimulate cell division and can increase yield.

Richard's claim that a farmer was able to triple their yield by applying his "Stimulant" after "initial bud fall" is


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It's not a claim and I am not a liar.
Richard, it doesn't matter whether you call it a claim, a statement, or a brain fart, it's still FALSE.

Try posting a study that can validate your claim.


This is what happens in the Tropics when only some compost is added.

No fertilizers or PGRs were used, and adding Richard's "Stimulant" would not triple the yield.

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... applying his "Stimulant"
It's not my "Stimulant". It is manufactured in the Los Angeles area by the Grow More corporation. It is widely used by apple & nut farmers in the western U.S., and by row crop famers in the southwest U.S. and Mexico. I tried it on similar crops for the first time this year and only began selling it last month.
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Bunch size & approximate yield are determined during bud formation, many months before bud emergence.

PGRs applied postharvest will not increase girth, length, or yield.

PGRs applied at planting (prior to the ultimate bud formation) does stimulate cell division and can increase yield.

Richard's claim that a farmer was able to triple their yield by applying his "Stimulant" after "initial bud fall" is


The literature "Effect of Gibberellic Acid and Male Bud Removal on Yield and Fruit Quality of Banana Plants" shows a 5+kg increase in yield for the plant crop and a 20+g increase in finger weight by spraying GA after emergence of the last hand.
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It's not my "Stimulant". It is manufactured in the Los Angeles area by the Grow More corporation. It is widely used by apple & nut farmers in the western U.S., and by row crop famers in the southwest U.S. and Mexico. I tried it on similar crops for the first time this year and only began selling it last month.
I would try it......
Growers/Gardeners are always looking for a competitive edge.
I think this product in tandem with GrowMore Hawaiian Bud and Bloom is an excellent combination of "goodies" for some of my row crop perennial plants.
I will even post photos of root structure of with/without the stimulant
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This is going to be a huge Feral Manzano Bunch, it would great if there was some real magic bud drops to add after the bud drops.
Who doesn't wanna triple their bunch size after the bud drops.


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I'd rather use magic and have a 75 lb bunch of Veinte Cohol instead of a 25 lb bunch with no magic.

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I read that study a couple of years ago, it looked like it was done by some college kids, but at least they didn't make any crazy claims like Richard does. Even Azomite removed all those crazy claims and is now trying to appear more respectable.

"The Combined Effect of Some Organic Manures, Mineral N Fertilizers and Algal Cells Extract on Yield and Fruit Quality of Williams Banana Plants" done a year later was a little better, but both studies are starting and finishing with small bunches.

There are many gimmicks that can add a few kilos, but I'd rather read a study that produces large bunches.

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I specifically said " it looked like it was done by some college kids" and did not say " it was done by some college kids", but I was curious who would be the first meathead to focus on that.


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So I would expect in U.S. home gardens ... a 50% to 100% increase in yield.
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