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Old 01-22-2016, 03:51 PM   #41 (permalink)
 
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I bring home 4 to eight yards of fine mulch per week and treat it with mykos. I have use almost no chemical fertilizers but some I do. I get results either way. When the mulch decomps it seems to pack. The charcoal seems to keep it light and fluffy. I wish I could access mushroom compost.
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I wish I could access mushroom compost.
Bryce, you CAN! Why don't you pick some up from Monterey Mushrooms in Zellwood next time you're over in that area? Sometimes it's free, sometimes they charge you $10 a yard. I bring a 4x8x3 trailer over there and load up a few times a year.

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Wow! All i can say.
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Getting back to the inputs of "grass clippings, coffee grinds and such" and speaking only of experience growing bananas in FL, I can testify to the benefits of adding organic material in general to the soil. Richard seems to be keen on chemical fertilizers - and that's fine. I would just like to try to achieve the same or better results without them.

In my experience, *in Florida*, best results have been with moderate doses of Espoma (Holly or Citrus), fine mulch, coffee grounds, wood ash, and bi-annual thick applications of mushroom compost. Over the past couple years, I've found mushroom compost to be the key for me. It loosens up the soil and attracts huge amounts of earthworms. 200 fingers on my latest Namwah is enough direct evidence for me. Before using mushroom compost, I may have topped out at 120.
How about some pics?
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For some reason, I can't upload photos anymore, regardless of file size. It even says they've uploaded successfully, but they never appear in my photo area. Anyway, I used a different route and here are some pics. OK, I exaggerated a bit - there were actually 192 fingers...

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Are those old pictures or did you not freeze?
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Old 01-22-2016, 10:35 PM   #47 (permalink)
 
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Are those old pictures or did you not freeze?
No freeze here. Lowest since 12/10 has been 41; 37 maybe tonight.
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... Over the past couple years, I've found mushroom compost to be the key for me. ...
Mushroom compost is high in nutrient density of N-P-K in comparison with leaf or grass mulch. Where available in bulk it can be a cost effective alternative to nutrient concentrates - esp. in comparison to neglible inputs. I use 15 cu. yards of it a year as a side dressing in my 1/4 acre orchard and planter beds.

There are produce farmers in my area who use mushroom compost as their sole nutrient input for cauliflower, broccoli, etc. They till it in about 2 feet deep with a tractor prior to each planting. The results are spectacular. Of course there's a huge mushroom farm in the area that outputs a couple hundred yards of free compost per week.
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Getting back to the inputs of "grass clippings, coffee grinds and such" ...

Richard seems to be keen on chemical fertilizers

I would just like to try to achieve the same or better results without them.
It's easy to get better results and the fruit tastes a whole lot better.

I get amazing results using compost tea made from grass clippings, biochar and some top mulch.

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The pics are from about 2 weeks ago. Lowest temps will be tonight - around 37. I was harvesting individual hands for a couple weeks, but finally cut the whole bunch off yesterday, as we are getting too much consistent cold for continued growth/ripening.
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Biochar.. produced this massive bunch....73 grams......
Charcoal is a great soilless or soil additive.
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Some of my first corms popping are the ones planted in pure chunks of biochar.
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Do you have any pics of your project? Did you leave them in the bio or replant in something else? I am thinking of starting off this spring by trying to get my bare rooted plants started rooting in some media and then planting in the ground from there. Thanks
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I've been doing that for a while, just planted another beautiful Manini a few minutes ago. The roots grow quickly in a very loose medium and to make transplanting less stressful I remove the bottom of the pot, put the whole thing in the ground and then lift the outer part of the pot over the leaves.
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I've been doing that for a while, just planted another beautiful Manini a few minutes ago. The roots grow quickly in a very loose medium and to make transplanting less stressful I remove the bottom of the pot, put the whole thing in the ground and then lift the outer part of the pot over the leaves.
Good idea with the pot process. I'll give it a try.
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I have been using biochar with all my bananas and plantains......


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[quote=HMelendez;268459]I have been using biochar with all my bananas and plantains......

I like mine small curd..........mixed well in the soil with a tiller....
You do mix the small chunks in the soil ..........yes.
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All of the photos on the org depict charcoal on the top of the soil....

I hope is for pictures only......because on the top of the soil is useless
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I use it on and in the soil. I just throw it on because at some point it will get churned in anyway. I preffer to put it in the bottoms of my planting holes. Just started planting in nothing but charcoal to see what happens. I notice those plants are giving early growth.
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Lump Charcoal is on sale now at Sams Club, Publix and Kroger

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