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Old 04-03-2009, 01:56 AM   #101 (permalink)
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Richard, you don't have any basis to classify my mode of thinking. You're such a genius that you read minds as well???

I've purchased large volumes of farm chemicals and fertilizers for 15 years and receive many trade publications. I've read of and tried many products based on claims, sometimes not supported. Some have said they perform as well as or better than another product, but have not.

You're still playing games and wasting my time. Put up a product for me to try.

Joe, are you going to offer AZ41 in smaller containers than the 2 liter bottle presently on your web site so that hobbyists can try it at a more reasonable cost? I believe 2 liters is more than many hobbyists would need.
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The 8-oz bottles are up. For $10, it would be good enough for a whole year for a small yard. Unless you produce a lot more fruits or veggies, then you would need about 2 small 8-oz bottles.

We still need to make the ordering smoother. Our programmer is just starting to do the secured ordering system, so it could take some time before everything can be running smoothly. Anyone can shoot a PM here, then I can give discounts. Our coupon discounts for fellow members is not yet implemented.

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Well you guys talked me into it, I order mine today. I have fruit trees & I'll put it to the test....
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OK, I got the two little bottles. I assume they are both the same, as contents, and directions are the same, but they have different pictures on the labels, and one says ...for roses, ornamentals... and the other says ...tropicals, sub tropicals...
On the direction sheet, it says something like excess diluted product may be stored for up to a month at a time. Is a month about the limit for storing? I guess it's better to try to mix only what you can use right away.
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OK, I got the two little bottles. I assume they are both the same, as contents, and directions are the same, but they have different pictures on the labels, and one says ...for roses, ornamentals... and the other says ...tropicals, sub tropicals...
On the direction sheet, it says something like excess diluted product may be stored for up to a month at a time. Is a month about the limit for storing? I guess it's better to try to mix only what you can use right away.
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Some of them have slightly different instructions. For example, we do not recommend spraying the subtropicals that remain evergreen through the winter if grown outside. Since I cannot cram all of the info into itty bitty label, I put them into two different labels for two bottles. They are exactly the same formulation, however.

The concentrate has indefinite storage and it improves with time, kind of like wine, based on accounts of some of our users. With antimicrobial properties and very stable, it does have excellent shelf life.

The mixed solution storage will depend on the type of water you have and the type of container. If water is contaminated, it may not be good to let it stand for a while. Definitely, stainless steel containers, food grade plastic containers and glass are the best because they have the fewest reaction or bonding with the ingredients, easier to clean to. But cheap plastic containers are good for short-term storage of the mixed solution, by up to a month. Being oil-based and you have plastic containers, some of the components could bind in the plastic, but that should stabilize if you use the same plastic storage container over and over, as the bonded sites would reach saturation point. Well, I have one stored for more than month and still effective, I just have to stir it really well. But the best option is to water the excess mixture into your other plants if you can't use it within a month,
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Thanks, Joe. Water here is no problem; regular New York City tap water - probably some of the best and safest in the nation.
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Thanks, Joe. Water here is no problem; regular New York City tap water - probably some of the best and safest in the nation.
You can send some of those nice water over to me!

Our city water has a pH of 7.5 to 8.6! And here I am, growing blueberries, bananas, citruses, and about 500 cultivars in all. It is challenging, it keeps me on my toes.
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Joe, found a new use for AZ41, I was spaying my plum trees that a am trying to grow on a trellis.Sprayed AZ41 on them and noticed that the green algae on the trellis was going away so I grabbed the camera. I could have sprayed the trellis more but didn't want to waste my AZ41.Just wanted to share.BeforeAfter
I have tried the power washer and that works, however it also breaks the branches on the tree.
And the AZ41 worked great.

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Joe you had sent me two small bottles, took no time at all. And the process was easy . I went though paypal. I just put it on all my fruit trees. I can not wait to see the results.
Also I have read in some of the threads about the price. I think it is reasonable
especially if it works. Thanks again. Paula
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Joe, found a new use for AZ41, I was spaying my plum trees that a am trying to grow on a trellis.Sprayed AZ41 on them and noticed that the green algae on the trellis was going away so I grabbed the camera. I could have sprayed the trellis more but didn't want to waste my AZ41.Just wanted to share.... After I have tried the power washer and that works, however it also breaks the branches on the tree.
And the AZ41 worked great.
Thanks Paula. AZ41 is a good fruit and leaf cleaner and was surprised it helped cleaned your trellis!
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Not banana related but I'm excited to report tonight from my field team that 266 acres in Orisi, California was approved to use AZ41 from California Certified Organic Farmers.

A VINEYARD for fresh table grape consumption! Using AZ41, the farmer has been producing blemish-free table grapes for the fresh fruit market, and the grapes has been tested to not show any pesticidal residues and other toxic chemicals and so the farm has passed the CCOF certification program. Imagine the savings of not having to use insecticides, nematicides and fungicides, not to mention increase yield and very clean, blemish-free certified organically grown fresh table grapes.

Our team is currently marketing to nearby farmers in the Sunview and Delano farms. I wish there are banana farms in the Central Valley. I could only dream about it. There's one around the Monterey coastal areas. We're grooming some resellers in that area.
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Not banana related but I'm excited to report tonight from my field team that 266 acres in Orisi, California was approved to use AZ41 from California Certified Organic Farmers.
Congratulations Joe! What is the difference between the CCOF certification and CDFA Certified Organic?
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Congratulations Joe! What is the difference between the CCOF certification and CDFA Certified Organic?
CDFA certifies the registration of fertilizer through FELDERS, before they are sold in California. This is to make sure it will be handled properly in a certain store/facility/distribution center of your sellers or resellers. They will also approve the labeling of your fertilizer product. After making sure that you have dealt with all toxicity issues and other safety protocols, and it is found in the labeling of your product, the CDFA will then categorize your type of fertilizer, and give you your registration number to sell in California.

CCOF on the other hand certifies the farm production to make sure it meets the definition of organic farming in California. If all the farm inputs are listed in OMRI, then the process of certification is a lot quicker, and will only have to deal with the residual non-OMRI inputs from years past. For farm inputs that do not belong in the current listing of OMRI, farmers will have to send samples of the input or their documentations such as ingredient listing, MSDS, toxicology reports, etc., to CCOF for review and approval. AZ41 is still in the process of OMRI registration and certification, and so it has to be scrutinized by CCOF. So far we have about 20 small to medium sized farms that uses AZ41 and are certified by CCOF out of the more than 400 current total users in the Central Valley. CCOF folks are very friendly and helpful, and has been giving us encouragement and guidance in the OMRI registration.
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Congrats, Joe!

I know a little about this, Richard. I don't believe there is such a thing as CDFA Certified Organic since we now have national standards and see USDA Certified Organic labels on foods. But the USDA does not certify anyone but instead has a list of approved certifiers. CCOF was the original organic organization in California, even before there were any state or federal standards. When California adopted standards in 1979, they used CCOF's standards. There are several other certifiers for California but many feel using the original association is most desirable. Many in the organic industry wish the USDA never got involved, though it still seems to work okay.
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Joe,
My AZ41 arrived yesterday and I mixed up a batch and sprayed everything, even plants (i.e. guavas) with no apparent bug problems. Perhaps it will boost their growth too. The stuff smells nice and is definitely a lot nicer than the rank lime sulfur I last sprayed.
So the systemic acquired resistance is built up if I spray every 15 days? How long do I keep this up for? Forever? Even if I spray every two weeks each 8oz bottle will last me a year, a little goes a long way.
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For the evergreen types like citruses, avocadoes and guavas, you spray until the last day of Fall. The best times to start spraying religiously is during spring growth flush for the evergreens. Other fruit types have their own application timing. Then after a couple of months, as the season gets dryer, you can switch into maintenance mode, and spray once a month until harvest. When problems come up nearing harvest time, such as other bugs, and commonly the fog which can cause fungal diseases to the fruits, you have to resume spraying just before the forecast of series of fogs or rains.

AZ41 is designed to be applied regularly as a bio-stimulant and nutrition supplement with insecticidal, fungicidal and nematicidal properties, so it is treated like using foliar fertilizers. Do not use it when you only have problems. It is designed to improve yield, improve health of plants even when under infestations, and produce cleaner fruits and leaves.

Normally, there is just a total of about 8 to 10 sprayings (some could be more, depending on the insect and disease pressure ) in a normal growing season, but it is important to be aggressive during the start of the growing season and then towards the harvest time.
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Joe, that's interesting about the product certification. From the point of view of someone who wants to grow "Certified Organic Produce" here in San Diego County, the grower (or hired consultant) works directly with CDFA and the County Agricultural office to register, perform remediations, and maintain compliance. As you know, it mostly boils down to staying on the formulary list. An interesting quirk is that a farming concern can file for an exception and with merit and a lot of patience, receive it. However, this exception does not become part of the formulary list. A savvy grower can go through the exception filings and very quickly have it apply to their site.
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Thanks JoeReal, Got it yesterday, You got the recorded for fastest shipping!! I don't get local mail that fast (seriously). Just wanted to tell you I had so much fun spraying my fruit trees & gardern plants & banana plants... I use to hate spraying, there are so many nasty chemicals out there you have to becareful with.... This was the first time I sprayed & had a good night of sleep!!! Looking forward to spraying again. (can't believe I said that) Having something safe means alot... I give it a A+ so far...
Thanks again.... moe
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I sprayed my big IC nanna last weekend & it sure looked greener & shinier the next day. I also sprayed plants in my sunroom - some w/ aphids, & I don't see aphids anymore...at least for now.
I used to use Messenger as a foliar spray. S'posed to be this "miracle" patented formula for plants. Comes in dry packets to mix w/ 1 gallon water. Each packet costs about $2.50 (that's for 1 GAL!!!). I don't think it was so great - esp for the $$.
Richard, you think $50.00 is a lot for 2 litre?! At 1 TBLS per gal, this should go a LONG way.
My 8oz ($10.00) bottle will make 16 gallons. That's $1.60 a gal.
A 2 litre bottle will make about 125 gallons @ .40 cents per gal mixed.
Correct me if I'm wrong on my math but I don't think so.
I think this stuff will make a killing. Thanks Joe.
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What if it was the same formula and same concentration for $20 per 2 litre? As a raw ingredient, lignosulfonates from melaleuca pulp mills cost only a few pennies above the shipping charges to the U.S.
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Totally agree, thats why I bought the big bottle.
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