Richard

I think you will be pleased with the results. As I have said many times in this thread, the contents of the product appear to be excellent.

What I don't understand is why the company is unwilling to pursue having the product made with the same guaranteed analysis for less cost by another reputable manufacturer?

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harveyc

For trade: Used 2003 Silverado pickup with 81,000 miles. Wanted: New Ferrari GTB Fiorano. I guarantee my vehicle, when analyzed by a lab, will have more steel, plastic, and rubber than the Ferrari so I think this is a great offer if you're looking to unload your death trap of a vehicle. :P

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harveyc

Richard, it's not all about guaranteed analysis. You've been told that enough times and I suggest you kindly leave this thread alone since your point has been made to the best as you've seem to have been able.

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A man's got to know his limitations.

Harry Callahan, Magnum Force, 1973 (Clint Eastwood)

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bigdog

I wasn't really referring to you...you weren't the aggressor.

I appreciate you sharing this with us. I may have to look into it soon! Thanks,

Frank

JoeReal

Richard,

The main reason why our product works is because of its ingredients which are plant extracts from Melaleuca, Aloe vera, and citrus peels combined together through a patented process to produce a final product that we sell. Without anyone of our main ingredients, our product will not work.

It is not the guaranteed analysis that makes our product work. The guaranteed analysis is shown as per requirements of USDA and EPA for a foliar blend specialty products like ours which is classified under fertilizer category. It is unique in that while classed under the fertilizer category, it has many special properties that common fertilizers out there cannot deliver.

I hope it is plainly clear that what makes our product work so good is because of its main ingredients and not because of its guaranteed analysis.

Thus I would truly appreciate it if you can suggest suppliers that have the lowest price of Melaleuca oil, the special Aloe vera gel extracts according to our specs, and the citrus peels oils. No company in the entire planet is able to synthesize these raw materials and thus the price. And the source plants are grown, cultivated, and harvested, not plundered for free from the oceans. So that is why the price. We love to lower the price, if we can get suppliers to bring their prices down. But demand for Melaleuca has been way up and the raw materials have not come down in price due to the fact people are opting to have healthier beneficial components into the pharmaceutical and health care products.

Yet, in spite of the price, benefits has so far outweighed the costs of buying and using the materials. Imagine that eliminating the need for insecticides, fungicides and nematicides while enhancing nutrient efficiency of your current practice and improving the yield. The elimination of toxic chemicals alone is priceless to some people who love gardening. Imagine how many lives can be improved and help minimize the use of some carcinogenic and toxic chemicals...

If you found cheaper suppliers of our main ingredients, that would really help. Guaranteed analysis do not help at all.


Joe

bencelest

As Joe said: You can spray AZ41 without any nose protection and in fact the odor is like fresh shampoo or something, very mild and more or less smells like mild deodorant and you don't need to shield your body like from toxic chemicals like others sell on the market because the ingredients are all earthfriendly and as Joe said it can be classified as I forgot the term but something like if you grow a fruit and you don't use chemicals and if you sell the fruit and it is considered as?

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harveyc

Organic!

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Lagniappe

What effect does AZ41 have on crustaceans?
Hope I didn't overlook the answer to this elsewhere in this thread.

Michael_Andrew

I wonder if it would grow same hair on this bald spot?

Joe if you could pm me or post the particulars here I'd be interested in trying that smaller container.

JoeReal

Our botanist called back and told me that there would be very minimal side effects if not beneficial. When you spray AZ41 it has been diluted, depending on your application, between 250 to 2000 times. The diluted spray if it drips to the pond would be further diluted, and so the effects are much attenuated that there should be no concern.

Unless you intend to use AZ41 for culturing crabs, prawns, crayfish... then we don't have studies for those yet.

JoeReal

That's always been the punch line of one of our resellers because of the aloe vera! As long as you dilute it first... but I can't guarantee the hair growth,


I will PM you particulars...

bencelest

HA!! Right YOU ARE Harvey. I've been raking my brains out all day for that term.
I know, I know, I have Alzheimer's.

Another benefits of AZ41 that I found:
While inspecting the many new buds of my citrus Joe's clemenule I notice a small gnat sort like a very small fly inside the bud but when I was about to touch it , it fell off on its own with its feet on top. It was dead as a door nail. Pretty stiff!!
That never happened to me before because I know those critters. Those critters with wings are the first ones to show first before the aphids. Always!. Once those critters appear on those buds looking so harmlessly, 3 days later you'll see newly born aphids clinging to the new buds where they used to be busily eating or sucking the bud's juices. It Never fails.
So now I know that AZ41 has a retentive preventive properties.
Sometimes I think those flies are pregnant female aphids with wings because why would it always appear first before newly born aphids appear?
So there, those critters were dead as a mackerel!!!! And I don't see aphids so far.
BTW I sprayed AZ41 about a week ago. And perhaps another spray about 10 days ago.

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Richard

Well I've endured a lot of name calling on this thread, but I think I'll be patient and keep trying to get an answer to my question.

After all, what more can they do to me! -- Bootstrap Bill

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harveyc

??? You must be reading minds, Richard! Just joking, on that part. Nobody has called you a name in this thread, other than "Richard". You may have had to endure a lot of posts where people have disagreed with your statements, however.

If anything in this thread comes close to name calling it's your first post in this thread where you indicate the price of AZ41 is "ridiculous". I guess that could be considered by some as calling Joe a gouger, though subsequent posts seem to indicate that wasn't your intent.


I'm really puzzled by some of your statements like this, as well as your own refusal to answer questions. Joe has clearly told you that it's not all about guaranteed analysis. He couldn't really have been any more clear about that. He has reported that commercial growers have used the product with great success and Benny has been very pleased with its performance. I've asked you if you can provide any performance results for a product which you claim will be just as good but cost a lot less, but have not seen anything.

A rational argument regarding the pricing of AZ41 and the choice it's components would include a comparison to a specific alternative that has been shown to have substantially equal performance. We've seen no such comparison, however.

You're a friend of mine and so is Joe. I started this thread to inform others of a product that one friend (Joe) has been introducing but having what I believe are unjust critical comments by another friend (you) if very bothersome. I suggest you start over and read from the beginning of this thread and perhaps you'll see things in another light, I hope.

Thanks,

Harvey

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bencelest

I discovered something new of AZ41. I discovered that AZ41 is not Systemic. An hour ago when I was admiring the countless beautiful buds of my Washington navel and the budding flowers, I saw one single twig that were full of aphids such that you can't see the leaves but overlapping one on top of each other a school of aphids- only that one particular twig. Needless to say I got me the AZ41 and sprayed the heck out of them. A bunch of them landed on my hands dead as a squirrel. Nothing moving.
Also whatever is left of the AZ41 I sprayed it on my bananas and other plants inside my glass roof top greenhouse and I noticed a few white flies flying. I was not sure where they come from but I think that they came from another yard or from the bark of my persimmon tree because there, when I sprayed them I saw some more of white flies.
Another thing that interest me though was that when I was spraying the bark of my persimmons, I saw this housefly that were crawling slowly and seemed to be disoriented and was too weak to fly . But it's been 2 minutes and still slowly crawling away from me. She was kinda high about 7 feet high so I divert my eyes for a second and I could not find her anymore. I just wonder if AZ41 can affect house flies.
The good part is I saw 2 ladybugs in my plum tree and one in my Washington navel.
I'll see if the white flies come back in 3 days or so.

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JoeReal

Benny,

The Systemic Acquired Resistance takes some time to build depending on the crop. Aphids, Scales and other insects will come from other sources and they don't immediately die when they start to establish. But your spraying as scheduled in the instruction will keep their population from exploding so that your yard would remain relatively clean of these insect pests.

I know your citruses will soon be in full swing, so don't overdo the spraying especially when your citrus flower buds starts to open en masse:

For conventional citruses:
When more than half of your citrus buds have opened, stop spraying until the petals are starting to fall, or after 15 days of peak bloom, whichever comes first. Never mind any insect pests coming, they will all soon fall dead. After the petal fall, you can resume the spray schedule. This time, when you mix your AZ41 spray solution, you can buy the Miracle Gro (24-8-16 ) soluble fertilizer with minors and mix 1 tsp of Miracle Gro and 1/4 tsp of epsom salt per gallon of spray mix. Never exceed 1 tsp per gallon of Miracle Gro! That will give your citruses very nice shiny dark green leaves that are very clean and lovely. It will then translate into bigger, luscious looking, blemish-free fruits that are sweeter and you can be proud to take pictures of.

If you are into pure organic growing, you can replace the Miracle Gro with some of the foliar organic fertilizer along with AZ41 mixture and there is a wide range of formulations, so just follow their instructions, but instead of water volume for the mixing, you use AZ41 mixture that you normally prepare.

I know your plants have been better looking, but you will even have better looking plants and much better looking fruits this time around!

Regards,

Joe

bencelest

Joe:
I believe that one particular twig that were full of aphids is a twig that I missed spraying. In fact I was sure of it for it was further up and was hiding from view. I know I missed that twig for sure. AZ41 is as you said kill on contact as it was claimed so there was no contradiction with what you said and with my experience.
Again the Systemec Acquired Resistance as you said will take some time to achieve and I am just so new using this wonderful stuff.
I am extremely happy with the results so far.
The bugs that I dreaded the most did not materialized so far and I am very sure that AZ41 will take care of them if they come. But I think their eggs did not hatch and they already gone to kingdom come.
Why do you think I bought another 2-litter? That's very unusual for me to do.

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CookieCows

My AZ41 arrived today!!

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JoeReal

For AZ41 to be truly effective as a bio-stimulant and crop protectant, remember to spray regularly every 15 days, until the Systemic Acquired Resistance (SAR) builds up in your plants. Do not spray when you only have a problem. It takes time for the plants to become healthier and stronger against pests and diseases. This is due to effect of acetylated mannan (acetylmannan ) from the aloe vera component which is known to impart SAR.