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Old 03-24-2009, 12:53 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Benny,

Yes, the white flies are one of the insect pests that can be controlled by AZ41. And speaking of tomatoes, AZ41 will make your tomatoes set more fruits, prolonged harvest, bigger, sweeter and tastier fruits. The aloe vera component imparts polysaccharides and complex flavors. The aloe vera extract that we use are the edible portions of the plant, that is often taken as food supplement. We processed it to be absorbed by the plants quickly in our formulation. While aloe vera is non-patent, our method of extraction and processing is patented. We use about 10 to 20 lbs of aloe vera and get only 1 lb from it, dry it and use it to make our final formulation. We simply plow back the excess aloe vera into the field where they were grown.

Make sure to mix 1 tbsp of AZ41 with 2 gallons water and substitute your watering the tomatoes with it once or twice a month. You will produce more excellent tasting tomatoes that are blemish-free that no one would believe it is pesticide-free method! We literally made a millionaire out of one user growing first class tomatoes somewhere there in the Pacific.

As soon as we finish the OMRI, we will also be off to Hawaii, where they have the same year-round pests and diseases just like the Philippines.

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On second note:
I used to see some white flies flying around when I sprayed AZ41 just 3 weeks ago. I just ignored them.
Now I don't see a single one flying around.
Could it be again a cure for it?
I just wonder.
Anyways, white flies were my mortar enemy with my tomatoes. I just can't see any hope to kill them such that I almost don't want to grow tomatoes any more. White flies were just too many and I could not find any cure. I've used malathion, oil based chemicals, soap, etc...but no chance.
Now I don't see them flying anymore. Not one.

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Our member Joe Real is working with a friend in distributing this product in the U.S. I bought a sample in January and just started using it. Benny has been using it a bit longer and made some very positive comments in his "what did you graft today" thread.

AZ41

I may do an informal trial with some of my TC plants to arrive from Richard soon.

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I'm definitly going to try this after hearing about the great results. This is the link of what it is and where to buy it Harvey? Just want to make sure since it's expensive and don't want to get the wrong thing LOL

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Ok.. I'm editing this post... I see now that this is the stuff! Can't wait to try it.
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Yes, the white flies are one of the insect pests that can be controlled by AZ41. And speaking of tomatoes, AZ41 will make your tomatoes set more fruits, prolonged harvest, bigger, sweeter and tastier fruits. The aloe vera component imparts polysaccharides and complex flavors. The aloe vera extract that we use are the edible portions of the plant, that is often taken as food supplement. We processed it to be absorbed by the plants quickly in our formulation. While aloe vera is non-patent, our method of extraction and processing is patented. We use about 10 to 20 lbs of aloe vera and get only 1 lb from it, dry it and use it to make our final formulation.



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Since you mentioned aloe vera, can I use it as shampoo to take a shower?

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Since you mentioned aloe vera, can I use it as shampoo to take a shower?

Ha-ha-ha.......
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No kidding Benny! Our company President sometimes use AZ41 as hand soap or shampoo when he is out there in remote areas.

My son has eczema because of food allergies, and we sometimes use it, and it helps, may not be as good as the balm but it helps. Happens when we forget his oitnment. The trick is to dilute it when using personally.


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Oh!-Oh!
I better shut my mouth. Zipped up!
What Not it can do???
Yeah! I noticed my first 5 times of using it, I pour the AZ41 to my 2 gallon spray container and then I filled the container with water and I had problems with bubbles. When the water was only 1/4 full the bubbles were starting to overflow and it kept on overflowing until I had the water level with the 2 gallon mark. I had to spray the sink full of bubbles all over. Until I met you at Gene Lester's and you told me to pour the AZ41 after I filled my spray container. I also use warm water in the process.
But I don't have any problem when I start spraying.
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Oh!-Oh!
I better shut my mouth. Zipped up!
What Not it can do???
It can't do many other things, like mow my lawn....

One of the farmers inquired: It's insecticide, fungicide, bactericide, nematicide... How about suicide?

Our field botanist quickly replied: Nope, it can't do that last one, but will guarantee a tommy ache and days of diarrhea. (Remember that it's faster than light? )

So it can't do many things...
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Richard, you don't have any basis to classify my mode of thinking. You're such a genius that you read minds as well???

I've purchased large volumes of farm chemicals and fertilizers for 15 years and receive many trade publications. I've read of and tried many products based on claims, sometimes not supported. Some have said they perform as well as or better than another product, but have not.
Harvey, I'm not making any claims other than cost. Also, please stop spitting at me.
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Richard, you're the one doing the criticizing here and I'm only criticizing your lack of substantive details. Costs need to be measured in terms of the benefits derived. $50 for a material that produces 500 gallons of a spray material that reportedly provides some very helpful benefits to commercial growers does not constitute a ridiculous price.

Why have you refused to provide any details on the comparative Grow More products you referenced?

I can say that a $80,000 backhoe is ridiculously-priced because I can buy a good quality shovel for $20 or less, but is that really justified?
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Joe- As many of my nanas are planted around my pond which contains fish and hardy and tropical plants, what is the effect on aquatics? I noted it has copper in it, which worried me about spraying near the pond. Thanks.
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I dug out some files from our former researchers and found the following technoguide for commercial fish ponds in brackishwater. The commercial ponds in the Philippines do not have pond liners or expansive clay barriers at the bottom. Being used in commercial fish ponds, I can only say that AZ41 is very safe to use on your plants around your pond areas with some of it dripping into the water:

TECHNOLOGY OF THE FISH POND’S AZ41
ROXAS CITY, Philippines

APPLICATION PROCEDURE
1. Dry pond bottom for a minimum period of one week. Allow it to crack.
2. Apply AZ41 by spraying or pond bottom until it is thoroughly wet.
3. In case of rain during or after AZ41 application, retain water for two days and slowly drain thereafter.
4. After first application allow it to dry in 3 days, after 3 days drying 2nd spray application is required, the dilutions is 100ml/16 liters of water (10 knapsack/hectare.). Be sure that the pond bottom is thoroughly wet.
5. After a day of second application, allow (sea water brackish water, fresh water) to enter to a level just enough to wet the pond bottom.
6. Maintain wetness of the pond and after 5-7 days apply inorganic/organic fertilizer and less 30% to the natural practice.
7. Admit water in minimal volume of 2-3 inches every two days. Daily enter of water is discouraged to avoid disturbance of lab-lab, the pond is now ready for stocking.
8. When desired water level is reached with the desired growth of lab-lab, the pond now is ready for stocking.
9. Stock of bangus/fish fingerlings into the pond at the a minimum volume of 2,500 pieces/ha.
10. Thirty days after stocking, dressing inorganic fertilizer and with less 30% to the natural practice
11. After 45 DAYS stocking apply AZ41 by dressing is beside to the pond with the dilution of 50ml/ 16 liters of water(1000ml/ha.)
12. Stock can be harvested after 3-4 months culture depending on desired weight or size

BENEFITS OF USING AZ41 ON FISHPONDS:

I. Product Features:
- Ease application
- No need to mix other compounds
- No foul odor
- Fast result 2-3 days application
- Long lasting with residual effect

II. Product contents
- Fast natural growth hormones
- Macro & micro nutrients
- Complete natural vitamins
- Probiotic Enzymes
- Soil conditioner

III. Effect on pond bottom
- Increase organic matter content
- Produce thick blue green lab-lab (brackishwater algae fish food)
- Produce good quality of lab-lab (brackishwater algae fish food)
- Produces 1st, 2nd and 3rd generation of lab-lab
- Prevent bottom pond acidity
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I agree with Joe that there is a lot of room for improvement in pesticide products. When a farmer looks at the flagship products from major manufacturers, they see products priced at a wholesale price of $300 per gallon applied at a rate of 1 fluid ounce per acre. Now, you might think that is concentrated but in reality it is just exceedingly toxic. In fact, depending on what county you farm in you'll also need to have or hire someone with 4 to 7 health and agricultural permits to apply it. So a farmer that has lived with that situation is much relieved with Joe's product because it costs less and depending on the county farm in, you'll need 0 to 2 permits to apply it.

Now as for the price, one can base it on current pricing of competitors products or simply calculate from "the bottom up". By this I mean you add up the real cost of materials, labor, operational costs, etc. including your own time and come up with a number. I prefer this method because in the long run customers realize there is real value in the product, and I personally couldn't sleep well thinking my products were at some usary price.

From what Joe has said, I believe he is also calculating his price bottom up, and his dominant material cost is melaleuca oil. It is his choice to use it and he might be correct that it will be a tremendous selling point. If it were my project -- which it is not -- I would use a different plant source costing far less, but still approved for certified organic farming. I'm sure Joe is aware of these alternate materials and sources for them, so more power to him. It is not something I will sell in the forseeable future, especially since I do not yet have the state licensing to sell anything labeled with a pesticide function.
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Richard I agree with you about the permits for fungicides, nematicides or insecticides. The total cost of permits, especially the required toxicology and clinical studies will kill many startup companies to satisfy that one. The easiest by far would be the fertilizer permits. But as we get more money, we will roll this over to get those other permits.

We are also helping another felllow register his organic fumigant.. Which would be a good compliment to our product in other niche markets. Already spent almost his entire fortune on it, and we charge him nothing for our help, only that we promote each other's products whenever they can be used together. So we have some idea on how much it would cost when the product is positioned as pesticides, insecticides, fungicides, etc... Thanks to the lobbying efforts done by the powerful chemical companies.
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Joe, I noticed last week that those citrus you grafted for me last year had scale on them. I've never had scale before so I don't know if they came from your place or some other plant. In a short period of time they really exploded (not literally!) since the plants were still in my greenhouse. I sprayed them with AZ41 two days ago. Today I noticed one of my avocados in the greenhouse was also loaded with scale. To get a good application, I picked up the potted avocado and took it outside. That's when I noticed the ants which obviously had brought the scale to the avocado. I sprayed it well and went back to check an hour later and noticed that all of the ants were dead in their tracks! Pretty hard to tell if the scale are alive or dead at this point.

Now, it so happens, that I've recently had my annual return of ants come into my house near my kitchen sink. They do this every time of year and I think they must live in the wall of my old house or maybe down in the soil below. Anyways, I was wondering if there are any concerns I should have in using this around a kitchen countertop.

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Joe, I noticed last week that those citrus you grafted for me last year had scale on them. I've never had scale before so I don't know if they came from your place or some other plant. In a short period of time they really exploded (not literally!) since the plants were still in my greenhouse. I sprayed them with AZ41 two days ago. Today I noticed one of my avocados in the greenhouse was also loaded with scale. To get a good application, I picked up the potted avocado and took it outside. That's when I noticed the ants which obviously had brought the scale to the avocado. I sprayed it well and went back to check an hour later and noticed that all of the ants were dead in their tracks! Pretty hard to tell if the scale are alive or dead at this point.

Now, it so happens, that I've recently had my annual return of ants come into my house near my kitchen sink. They do this every time of year and I think they must live in the wall of my old house or maybe down in the soil below. Anyways, I was wondering if there are any concerns I should have in using this around a kitchen countertop.

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It takes a long while to get rid of the scales because someimes the ants hide them in parts of the plant inaccessible by the spray, or import them from various places. My experience with citruses is that it takes a year before I can manage them, they are still being brought by the ants from my neighbor's plants. The regular spraying of AZ41 makes the effects of scales negligible. But as soon as your plants have absorbed enough phytohormones and nutrients, it would become unpalatable to the scales, and you would see minimum problems with them. I now have sooty-free and blemish-free citrus fruits as the population of the scales, aphids, thrips, cottony scale and mealy bugs have been brought down very low. No more sugary drips nor spider like gum drips. All citrus leaves are shiny and clean, and most of all the fruits too!

You can use AZ41 to spray directly on marching ants inside your house, in the pantry, in the cupboard, in the countertops without fear of toxic effects. The only problem is that AZ41 kills only on direct contact. As soon as the area is dry enough, the other ants will come back, and there are millions of them!

But on plants, the aphids and bugs that the ant have been farming will no longer benefit them because the bugs will find your plants unpalatable from the regular spraying of AZ41. Too bad our countertops and surfaces inside our house don't have systemic effects like the plants have, otherwise we would have longer lasting effects inside our kitchen too. But that is another problem to solve, the AZ41 is not meant for long term effects as ant control inside the house, only on plants.
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I can add some Nu-Film to it. Just joking, I don't think it would be very effective for ants just to crawl over it and the Nu-Film would leave a residue my wife would definitely not be pleased about! LOL

Still, sometimes when you see a whole heard of ants there is great pleasure in going in with the equivalent of a "cluster bomb" and killing a bunch at once!

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This sounds like Frontline for plants! LOL

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I appreciate the extra effort to find the research on commercial fish farmers. I'll admit to being amazed that there are claims of actual benefits for the fish. The only thing that caused a tad amount of disquiet was to see that AZ-41 will help grow blue-green algae. Unfortunately this I do not want in my pond. However, as the only exposure in my pond would be incidental to non-aquatic use, I feel reassured. Thanks again for the effort.
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Good one, Deb!
I don't know what Richard's referring to but I just frontline'd all my dogs and now they're running around in the rain
Oh well, let the fleas have em' .
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