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Dwarf Cavendishes are very proven to work indoors and in our climate. They are sold everywhere for indoors, so they must perform well in cooler conditions.
If by perform well you mean produce fruit regularly, I wouldn't say they are proven to work well in cooler conditions. But if you can keep them warm in a greenhouse or indoors, they might be fine.
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No, you cut the pseudostem to reduce the height of the plant, then the flower comes up the pseudostem and blooms on the plant, which is now shorter than it was before you chopped it.
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So it is cutting it back?
At what stage would you do this?
venturabananas is the leading expert on chop chop & once he explains the procedure in a little more detail, you and everyone else will be growing indoor banana plantations in no time.
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venturabananas is the leading expert on chop chop & once he explains the procedure in a little more detail, you and everyone else will be growing indoor banana plantations in no time.
I am no expert. I have never fruited a banana indoors and never plan to attempt it. I have chopped down banana plants and then had them bloom soon after that. The bunches they have produced and been small and pathetic, though edible.
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Not sure about the taste, nor am I sure it will bloom here yet, but Enano Gigante seems to overwinter very well for me indoors with low light (curtains closed) and almost no water and does not look terrible as long as spider mites are kept under control. Basically appeared to go semi dormant. Then later, I put it in my unheated greenhouse that got down to 37 or so degrees with no cold damage several times this spring. Does so well in fact for me with low water, light, cold, and semi dormancy, I am going to try storing it in my crawlspace this winter now that I have several pup backups. Supposed to be a cavendish type? Hard to find info about it online. For someone with a bright room, it should do very well overwintered indoors.
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venturabananas is the leading expert on chop chop & once he explains the procedure in a little more detail, you and everyone else will be growing indoor banana plantations in no time.
Here is one example of what happens when you chop the pseudostem shortly before flowering. This is a tall Namwah plant that normally flowers at about 15' of p-stem and produces 50-70 lb. bunches. This one flowered at 1' and had 3 small leaves produced after chopping but before blooming. It did produce edible bananas, but way fewer and smaller than normal. The bunch weighed 8 pounds.




Here's another p-stem on the same mat that I chopped. Doesn't look like these fingers will fill. I think it had only two tiny leaves prior to blooming.


So, can you chop the p-stem and get bananas? Yes, but unless you did it way before flowering, so there's lots of leaves that emerged after chopping to fuel the filling of the bunch, the fruit production will suffer. Probably a lot.
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The Enano Gigante grows to the same height as the Williams and studies have shown the Williams to be more cold tolerant than other Cavs, plus it has less fruiting problems.

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Thanks for the photos vb.


Apparently there is an advantage to growing bananas up North. Here is another example of what happens when you chop the pseudostem before flowering. This is an AAB plant that normally flowers at about 10' of p-stem and produces 50-70 lb. bunches. This one flowered at 5' and had 6 large leaves plus the flag produced after chopping but before blooming. It did not produce edible bananas, and were fewer and smaller than normal.















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Here is one example of what happens when you chop the pseudostem shortly before flowering. This is a tall Namwah plant that normally flowers at about 15' of p-stem and produces 50-70 lb. bunches. This one flowered at 1' and had 3 small leaves produced after chopping but before blooming. It did produce edible bananas, but way fewer and smaller than normal. The bunch weighed 8 pounds.




Here's another p-stem on the same mat that I chopped. Doesn't look like these fingers will fill. I think it had only two tiny leaves prior to blooming.


So, can you chop the p-stem and get bananas? Yes, but unless you did it way before flowering, so there's lots of leaves that emerged after chopping to fuel the filling of the bunch, the fruit production will suffer. Probably a lot.
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Good Luck with that... keep us posted
Lol! Yeah, not likely... but thanks for that anyway, its hilarious.
I can just see the producers of that infomercial making a run to the grocery store to buy those bananas for the kids to eat.
And then tied a bunch to stick on the tree.
(Is it me or do those kids like those bananas a bit too much? Good Lord.)
I don't want luck, I want facts and information from the wisdom from those with experience like you, I need you guys to tell me your opinions on it all....

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I am no expert. I have never fruited a banana indoors and never plan to attempt it. I have chopped down banana plants and then had them bloom soon after that. The bunches they have produced and been small and pathetic, though edible.
It seems the ideal situation is to pick a variety and timing to have them fruit outdoors in summer, but some have gotten them to fruit indoors, as in this guy, in his cellar! (the tree isn't even upright!):
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Fruiting Bananas Indoors - in New England! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9ylwDZ33zU
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Some information I came across:

The optimum temperature for growth is 87 to 89 degrees F (31 or 32C).
Temperature also influences the arrangement of the leaves.
On plants growing under cool conditions the leaves are more upright, but under warmer conditions they are more horizontal.
While the rate of plant development (for any given variety) is slower in the subtropics than in the tropics, bunch size can be larger and yields are comparable.

FRUIT GROWTH
A bunch emerging in April takes six months or more to mature, while one emerging in November takes only three months. So temperature has a big influence on the rate of fruit growth, hence the use of bunch covers, which are thought to warm the fruit, thereby increasing growth rate.

[This seems counterintuitive? How would November temps be warmer than April?]

In hot weather and in bright sunshine the two halves of the lamina (leaf blade) fold downwards (figure 2). This can reduce the temperature of the leaf by 7 or 8 C in the middle of the day. It also reduces, by more than half, the amount of water used by the leaf for cooling. Under still conditions, leaves torn by the wind are cooler than those that remain entire.
November bunch. During November, or in some years early December, a bunch emerges on which the fruit is uneven and often deformed. The fruit is tapered, being thin at the stalk end, and the flower end may have a conical, green protuberance. Fruit on the same hand is variable in length. Being short and thick when mature they are often called November dumps.
The quality of the fruit is good and has a reputation for being the best tasting of all bananas. However, sometimes very few fruit develop to marketable size.
November bunch has been observed in all subtropical countries where bananas are grown.
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That information is from Australia, hence the reversed seasons.

I think saying that guy got fruit in his cellar is probably not accurate. He got a bloom. I don't think they matured, if this is the video I saw a follow up on.
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That information is from Australia, hence the reversed seasons.

I think saying that guy got fruit in his cellar is probably not accurate. He got a bloom. I don't think they matured, if this is the video I saw a follow up on.
Ah you are right, its Australia. So would be reversed here.
I didn't see a follow-up, but didn't go through every one of his videos.
The thing is, we are fairly able to replicate the conditions that bananas grow and fruit in where they are grown. So what is not being done right?

If you want to see bananas growing in cool climates in the north, here is an extreme...
Here are bananas grown in... Iceland!

One Hundred Banana Trees in Iceland | Iceland Review
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Ah you are right, its Australia. So would be reversed here.
I didn't see a follow-up, but didn't go through every one of his videos.
The thing is, we are fairly able to replicate the conditions that bananas grow and fruit in where they are grown. So what is not being done right?

If you want to see bananas growing in cool climates in the north, here is an extreme...
Here are bananas grown in... Iceland!

One Hundred Banana Trees in Iceland | Iceland Review
Grown in Iceland - correct. However they are growing in a green house.
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Grown in Iceland - correct. However they are growing in a green house.
Well yes, but look at the temperatures in the greenhouse. About the same as it is indoors in an average home. 77 degrees F or so.
The only difference is humidity, (which is self made), which could be replicated by simply tenting the plants with clear plastic. (So is humidity the magic factor?) If they can grow bananas like that as far north as Iceland, in temps that are equivalent to room temperature, then why can't anyone in Midwest or northern USA?
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Well yes, but look at the temperatures in the greenhouse. About the same as it is indoors in an average home. 77 degrees F or so.
The only difference is humidity, (which is self made), which could be replicated by simply tenting the plants with clear plastic. (So is humidity the magic factor?) If they can grow bananas like that as far north as Iceland, in temps that are equivalent to room temperature, then why can't anyone in Midwest or northern USA?
Actually we can, however one has to have the means to do it
and generally the casual backyard gardner does not want to put forth the resources for something they can get a the corner grocery.

I think that was covered that in my first few posts with the possible costs associated with fruiting the plant and the quality of fruit in the subsequent posts that other forum members added.

Your grow season is ticking away. Less than 170 days ......go to the big box store and pick up a cavendish and get started, the plants are less than ten bucks and get that first season under your belt to understand the plants needs. At ten bucks you have nothing to lose.
.Plants for sale at Lowes by Hostafarian, on Flickr.
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Currently some of the the BEST info to grow your plant indoors in the winter will be found in the Cannibis forums.
Requirements and conditions are similiar.
And to do it right the costs are similiar.
And R.O.I is significantly higher.

This is one big reason in the north that these plants are not in everyones living room and are sold as an annual.
R.O.I> Return on investment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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