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Old 08-30-2019, 08:02 AM   #1 (permalink)
 
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Default Slooooow Veinte Cohol pups

Hi everyone,

My container-grown Veinte Cohol just started its 4th pup.

However, the 3 other pups are growing at a glacial speed. The largest one (bottom left on the picture) is a year old. Last winter it kind of withered away when temperatures started to drop, it looked dead throughout its stay in a greenhouse, and then revived in June to shoot its current leaf.

The countainer is likely big enough, and definitely was when the first pup shot. Is it a Veinte Cohol thing to do that? Or are they lacking some nutrients?
A neighbouring Namwa is a lot taller, thicker, yet grew a nice strong 3ft pup.

Any suggestions how their growth could be given a boost?

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Default Re: Slooooow Veinte Cohol pups

How about backing off and give us a good over view of the plants and pots.


Now from what I can see, if the plants are pushing pups instead of growing; then the corm is in trouble. ... From the close up of the potting soil, it appear to be too dense or too much peat. thus holding too much water. ????



It water doesn't drain from the bottom holes within 15 to 30 seconds after pouring on top, soil is not draining fast enough.
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Default Re: Slooooow Veinte Cohol pups

definitely a Viente cohol thing, went through it a few years ago. hates the cold. takes forever to get over it in the spring. Then grows great once the roots get warmed up.{at least thats what i assumed}
short cycle and good fruit makes it worth the effort. thought it was the root temp that was the problem? don't put into the ground in spring until ground is completely warmed up. Good luck
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How about backing off and give us a good over view of the plants and pots.


Now from what I can see, if the plants are pushing pups instead of growing; then the corm is in trouble. ... From the close up of the potting soil, it appear to be too dense or too much peat. thus holding too much water. ????



It water doesn't drain from the bottom holes within 15 to 30 seconds after pouring on top, soil is not draining fast enough.

Thank you all!

The VC is the middle one;






The Veinte Cohol is in a 24 gallon pot. If I water it, excess water will start flowing out at the bottom in less than 10 seconds. But maybe the water just runs through possible gaps between the pot and the soil... I'll try and water only next to the plant's base tomorrow, just to check

The VC might indeed not have been the best option or my climate. Now that I know, I will keep that in mind and try to warm up the soil roots a bit when the next winter is coming to its end. Maybe with some heating elements or Christmas lighting wrapped around the pot
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Thanks .... The plants are much bigger than I thought. They should have many more leaves than what's there now. Without the leaves they can't expire much water. Check the soil moisture content with a long stem moisture meter though the drain holes at the bottom before watering.
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Allright, thanks!
When I watered them yesterday I only poured carefully in the centre of the pot, at the foot of the plant, and no water drained out for a long time. So it might also be the soil density as mentioned in your first reply.

Can this inhibition be fatal for the plants? After the Fall I'll likely have to cut them back and protect them against frost, so then they will be more managaeble. I would wait until then to repot them and try to make the soil a bit lighter. Unless you all deem it urgent ofc..
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Now is the time to repot the plants into a fast draining mix. 50% -50% potting soil & perlite. ... by doing this you can visually inspect the corm for root rot and clean with bleach water before repotting. I think you will find the middle of the pot is soggy causing root rot. Cut away any soft black parts of the corm & roots. Good roots are white.
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The Veinte Cohol is in a 24 gallon pot. If I water it, excess water will start flowing out at the bottom in less than 10 seconds. But maybe the water just runs through possible gaps between the pot and the soil... I'll try and water only next to the plant's base tomorrow, just to check
Your water is flowing out the sides between the soil and pot.
If you scruff up the top few inches of the soil you will close that gap and your plant will get the more water it needs.
In a container like that your roots are on the inner circumference of the pot with not many in the center.
Your plant is losing water out the sides and not getting enough water.

If your water beads on soil up as you water your plants soil could use to be refreshed a bit...... to loosen it up.
Older soil will become dense and repel water as you have seen.


Soil pulled away from the side of the container

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Here is another example.
This plant was thought to be watered "real good"
Only the top few inches ae wet and the rest was run off out the sides.
Also note there are not too many roots in the pots interior that is because they will tend to travel to the sides of the pot


Light watered soilless mix

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Soil lightly teased for the repot
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I know this comes little late but it can be relevant to slow growth of a plant and pups
Your landscape containers can be heating up too much also. That will slow things up a bit. It does for me.
If you pull the plant out of the container and notice no roots on the sunny side of the pot the it is time to give the container more shade.
Roots will not fill a hot pot.
Here is one of my containers as an example ....the sunny side has no roots.
A temperature check revealed 130+ degrees at times


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Where did you source the plant? Looks kinda “off” to be a VC. Do you have closer pics of the pstem?
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I will add large saucers to my plants that have heat/water issues.
The excess runoff is usually absorbed within a few hours on a hot day and your plant will thank you for it.
And you plants will not look as stressed at the end of the day.
For those who do this you know how this works.
This will help your plant.

Another Southern forum member uses water heater trays as saucers for his large plants.
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Where did you source the plant? Looks kinda “off” to be a VC. Do you have closer pics of the pstem?
Like this?





The plant was sourced from Thailand so there might lie the difference..

@Cincinnanna That is exactly what I found to be the case with mine here! Dry below the first few inches of soil...

My mistake was trying to plant the plants too firmly when I repotted them last time. They had grown quite tall in their previous smaller pots, so they were top heavy and seemed to want to fall over all the time. Even though the potting mix I used was mixed with perlite and had lots of other larger organic material in it, it might have been compressed too much to allow for decent drainage.
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