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Old 11-03-2011, 09:20 PM   #21 (permalink)
 
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thanks tony, your pictures look identical to mine, I only used the banana fuel fertilizer once a month, I need to find out what my ph is now.
If I remember right I cut down on the fertilizer and that took care of it. Your plants probably won't need fertilizer until spring anyhow.
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I've had the same kind of problems with my bananas, and after lots of trial and error, I am pretty confident that in my case it was boron deficiency causing the deformed growth. The symptoms look very much like Calcium deficiency, which is unfortunate because adding Calcium inhibits uptake of Boron.

I'd recommend paying the money to have a professional soil test done. Had I done that at the outset, I would have fixed the problem about a year earlier. Instead, I added lots of gypsum and made the problem worse.

When there is deficiency of a micronutrient that is hard for the plant to transport (e.g., boron, calcium), any fertilizing is likely to exacerbate the problem.
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I've had the same kind of problems with my bananas, and after lots of trial and error, I am pretty confident that in my case it was boron deficiency causing the deformed growth. The symptoms look very much like Calcium deficiency, which is unfortunate because adding Calcium inhibits uptake of Boron.

I'd recommend paying the money to have a professional soil test done. Had I done that at the outset, I would have fixed the problem about a year earlier. Instead, I added lots of gypsum and made the problem worse.

When there is deficiency of a micronutrient that is hard for the plant to transport (e.g., boron, calcium), any fertilizing is likely to exacerbate the problem.
oh thanks, I have some gypsum but its still in the bag, any recommendation on any place to send the soil for testing?
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Don't use the gypsum until after you have the results of the soil test in hand and it shows calcium deficiency. I used A & L Western and liked their service.
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Don't use the gypsum until after you have the results of the soil test in hand and it shows calcium deficiency. I used A & L Western and liked their service.
and what were the results ?
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Deficient in boron, everything else OK, though more nitrogen wouldn't hurt.
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Deficient in boron, everything else OK, though more nitrogen wouldn't hurt.
You have clay soil ?
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Yep, I have clay. It's supposed to seldom be low in boron, but mine is, for whatever reason.
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I was looking at the a&l website, it looks real interesting.
Im going to go with them. I can see how soil testing could save you alot of time and money
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Am I supposed to take the rocks, bark, roots, etc. out of the soil sample or do they do that at the lab?
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Old 11-06-2011, 08:26 PM   #32 (permalink)
 
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I'm not sure what you are really supposed to do. I took all the big, non-soil chunks out. But I'd call them and ask. The woman I talked to on the phone was very helpful.
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Am I supposed to take the rocks, bark, roots, etc. out of the soil sample or do they do that at the lab?
I don't think they need the rock ,bark etc. May be a good idea to take samples from different areas of the yard
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I got the report in the mail today. My soil isnt low in calcium or boron, but high and very high in other areas. I'll list the results:
Organic Matter 3.5% = medium
Nitrogen 327ppm = very high
Phosphorus Weak
Bray 88ppm =high
Phosphorus
NaHCO3-P 66ppm =high
Potassium 729ppm =high
Magnesium 265ppm =low
Calcium 3191ppm =medium
Sodium 285ppm =medium
Sulfur 301ppm =very high
Zinc 28.1ppm =very high
Manganese 4ppm =low
Iron 43ppm =very high
Copper 4.0ppm =high
Boron 0.9ppm =medium
Chloride blank

ECe dS/m = High, i think this is salinity
CEC meq/100g = 24.1, dont know what this is
Ex. Lime = L dont know what this is
pH = 6.2
buffer pH = 6.7
Dolomite (70 score) = 70

Percent Cation Saturation
Potassium 7.7 %
Magnesium 9.0%
Calcium 66.1%
Sodium 5.1%

Comments say might need to lime if buffer index is less than 6.9
salts need to be washed out of the root zone
restrict further nitrogen applications, protect ground water

So I need to stop fertilzing, and wash the salt out, how do I do that?
I think that came from my aquarium saltwater that I dumped there long before I planted anything there, stupid me I didnt know.
What else should I do, and when to retest?
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I got the report in the mail today. My soil isnt low in calcium or boron, but high and very high in other areas. I'll list the results:
Organic Matter 3.5% = medium
Nitrogen 327ppm = very high
Phosphorus Weak
Bray 88ppm =high
Phosphorus
NaHCO3-P 66ppm =high
Potassium 729ppm =high
Magnesium 265ppm =low
Calcium 3191ppm =medium
Sodium 285ppm =medium
Sulfur 301ppm =very high
Zinc 28.1ppm =very high
Manganese 4ppm =low
Iron 43ppm =very high
Copper 4.0ppm =high
Boron 0.9ppm =medium
Chloride blank

ECe dS/m = High, i think this is salinity
CEC meq/100g = 24.1, dont know what this is
Ex. Lime = L dont know what this is
pH = 6.2
buffer pH = 6.7
Dolomite (70 score) = 70

Percent Cation Saturation
Potassium 7.7 %
Magnesium 9.0%
Calcium 66.1%
Sodium 5.1%

Comments say might need to lime if buffer index is less than 6.9
salts need to be washed out of the root zone
restrict further nitrogen applications, protect ground water

So I need to stop fertilzing, and wash the salt out, how do I do that?
I think that came from my aquarium saltwater that I dumped there long before I planted anything there, stupid me I didnt know.
What else should I do, and when to retest?
Maybe the winter rains will be enough to wash out the salts
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Overall, it does sound like a micronutrient deficiency as a result of overfertilizing -- not enough of some micronutrient to keep up with the high nitrogen. Not sure which micronutrient, but you might try a foliar spray with a broad-spectrum micronutrient supplement. But it might not do much at this time of year, with growth having slowed down already. That said, spraying mine with Solubor about a month ago really sorted my plants out.

I'm no expert, but I wouldn't worry about the pH and the lime, given that bananas like somewhat acidic soil.

Given that the nights are getting cool now and growth has slowed down, I personally probably wouldn't try washing out the salts because of the risk of rotting the roots. I'd just let the rain do it for you. Next summer, when it's nice and warm, you could really deeply water to leach out the salts. But I bet if you stop fertilizing now (which you should probably do over winter anyway), the plants will sort themselves out. The occasional micronutrient foliar feed probably couldn't hurt.

Richard knows a lot about this stuff. Maybe he'll chime in.
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There is a product out by fox farm called sledgehammer that seems to work really well on potted plants that have been potted up too long. It is an extract of the yucca plant that helps break up old mineral deposits in the soil and on the roots. It also acts as a natural surfactant to help hold new fertilizers in the soil to be more available to the plant. No, I do not get kick backs from fox farm I have used it in old potted plants and when my cats peed in a couple of my pots to wash out the urine. Seems to work better than just rinsing with water. You can apply fertilizer right away. But I agree that you should wait until spring to do any of this. Thanks for posting your results!

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A friend sent this pic of same bad beetles in the Lowcountry of SC.


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