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Old 11-18-2016, 03:28 PM   #1 (permalink)
 
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Default I think this one's near death...

Here's a picture I took 2 days ago.

Here's a few pics I took just a minute ago.




The leaf on the right of all images was damaged at the stem of the leaf so I cut it off since nothing could go in or out of the leaf surface.

I repotted my banana plant about 2 months ago, since then it's only gotten in worse shape. The soil is moist, but not soaking wet. It has survived a pretty serious lice infestation, the last lice are inside the cigar leaf and I'm working on getting those killed as well.

I think it's not getting near enough light, so I've ordered a grow light online. It's a blue and red LED light, 12 red 6 blue. I'm really hoping I can get my plant to survive winter this way... Sun comes up at 8, I wake up at 11 (in the same room) and sun goes down again at 16.30. The window is facing east-southeast and most of the light gets blocked by the building across the street.

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Old 11-18-2016, 06:24 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Cut of any rotten area and let it dry out a bit, then make sure it gets enough light but from what I can tell based on your pictures is it a bit too wet right now.
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Cut of any rotten area and let it dry out a bit, then make sure it gets enough light but from what I can tell based on your pictures is it a bit too wet right now.
Is there a way I can dry it out more quickly?
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I have a DC looking exactly the same. I think the leaves may have sun-burned about 10 or 14 days ago when I had it outside. I re-potted with fresh soil and inspected the roots. Didn't find any problems there. I'm keeping it by the window for light but no direct sun and watching the water close until I see new growth.
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sun up at 8:00 down around 4:00 you must be around zone 5 or 6.
I think you must get rid of any mites/bugs first.
wipe the leaves both sides etc.
stop watering for a week or so at least, let the dirt get pretty dry,
if you are indeed in that climate this is a common problem. i lose a few every year like this. it was hurting long before you saw a problem, then the bugs and the seasonal change.
you might get a pup. if it gets worse with no pup as a last ditch effort dig up the corm and cut off all black and stick it in pure sand watering sparingly.
if not, next spring you are ready for round 2
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Great pics ...


Do I spy a pitcher plant, pony tail palm , and some parsley?????


The two previous posts are very revenant to your situation.
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would it not do a little better also to be in a little bigger pot, root bound?
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sun up at 8:00 down around 4:00 you must be around zone 5 or 6.
I think you must get rid of any mites/bugs first.
wipe the leaves both sides etc.
stop watering for a week or so at least, let the dirt get pretty dry,
if you are indeed in that climate this is a common problem. i lose a few every year like this. it was hurting long before you saw a problem, then the bugs and the seasonal change.
you might get a pup. if it gets worse with no pup as a last ditch effort dig up the corm and cut off all black and stick it in pure sand watering sparingly.
if not, next spring you are ready for round 2
There was a tiny bit of green forming at the base about 2 months ago, but that's gone dead now... I haven't watered it for 2 weeks and the soil is still moist. I can't get to the lice inside the cigar leaf, so I sprayed it with a solution of soft soap and spiritus. Instantly kills the lice with only a little bit used.

Last year I saw the same thing happening, lots of leaves dying, but it's never been this bad! But then again, last year I didn't leave it in the care of my mother over the summer and part of autumn. I'm beginning to think that my mother did over-water it. I have the pot right next to the radiator now, hoping that will help evaporate the excess water in the pot.
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Do I spy a pitcher plant, pony tail palm , and some parsley?????
Yes you do I also have 2 spider plants, a miniature phalaenopsis orchid, rosemary and thyme, a christmas cactus and 2 plants I don't know the name of. Most of them come from cuttings my mother gave me.
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would it not do a little better also to be in a little bigger pot, root bound?
I just repotted it from a way smaller pot two months ago. Back then I thought the condition was caused by rootbind, but since it didn't improve, it's not that.
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Old 11-19-2016, 11:09 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Please update your location in your profile. That's gonna help us help you.
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Done.

I've just taken the plant out of the pot and teased the roots apart. The soil around the edge was very moist, but the nearer to the center I got, the drier the soil was. I could still see the shape of the previous pot, it was definitely root bound before and it was very hard to get in between the roots. I took off any dead roots. They were limp, flattened and black in colour.

As of now, I'm letting the roots dry out a bit and I'm letting the soil dry as well. I'm going to replace the soil tomorrow.

I think a lot of the corm is currently above ground, can I put it under the soil with no consequence? There's one tiny pup forming, I thought it had died, but I can now see a small green tip with a blackish head coming out of the corm. I will update this comment with a pic soon.

With the tiny pup trying to pop out, can I take off the pseudostem so the corm expends more energy into the pup?

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Tiny pup (Thumb for scale):




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Let her alone now. IME, trimming the P-stem will do nothing. And do update your profile so others know your location; map is sketchy for me. Since your plants are inside you're not near me so you don't have to worry about the "musa thief". (I have never, ever taken a plant not left out for the trash by the road yet I've gotten this pesky rep somehow. )

You grow other plants successfully. I'd suggest (heresy?) that you treat the princess just like them. Bananas are pretty tough. They sometimes get an attitude and die. If they're determined to croak, you can't change it IMO.
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How often do you water the plants and how much?
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I don't see your location. Where are you?
Some may not agree but it works for me and my stuff is in pots and inside most of the year.
Peel the dry stuff near the corm and then replant it in coarse sand. Nothing else. It'll give it the chance to put out a stronger root system and it drains way better than the stuff you are using. Use a bigger pot too. I'll tell you what to do next in a month. Remind me if I forget. I saved a lot of nanners that way.
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How often do you water the plants and how much?
I haven't watered it in over 2 weeks now. The soil near the middle was dryer than the soil nearer the edge.

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Some may not agree but it works for me and my stuff is in pots and inside most of the year.
Peel the dry stuff near the corm and then replant it in coarse sand. Nothing else. It'll give it the chance to put out a stronger root system and it drains way better than the stuff you are using. Use a bigger pot too. I'll tell you what to do next in a month. Remind me if I forget. I saved a lot of nanners that way.
How about now? I had pinned my location on the map, but now I found the profile thingy for location

I'll try to find coarse sand next week. Thanks for your advice!
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Old 11-19-2016, 05:41 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Yes! Got it now.
You should really do it ASAP. The faster, the better. Is it on top of a heating system?
If very hot air comes out of this, it may be one of the causes of the leaves drying.
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I haven't watered it in over 2 weeks now. The soil near the middle was dryer than the soil nearer the edge.

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I understood that. It wasn't what I was asking.

Frequent watering, even a small amount, is just as bad as over watering. The roots need air, so small amounts of water daily can keep the top of the pot sealed so the roots and soil can not breathe. Thus, the top of the soil needs to 'dry out' before each watering.

Also, since the plant has lost its ability for the leaves to 'transpire', then it does not need watering or very little.

Your description of the soil still being wet after 2 weeks of no water; does this soil have those 'water retaining' crystals? If so, get rid of them. The soil needs to drain.
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Your pin actually worked for me; apparently we have few Dutch members. Do have an outdoor space to "park" your babies in during summer? If not, would weather permit doing so? Or are they always forced to stay inside and push their little leaves up against windows or door longing for freedom? I ask because figuring out your gardening zone will take some effort and might not be accurate.

I'm bowing out now; you're in good hands with the "guys" on board. BTW, you didn't mention the variety in this thread (unless I'm blind). Do you know what you have there? Or was told you have? JFYI, I don't think it's a Blue Java but what do I know?

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Done.

I've just taken the plant out of the pot and teased the roots apart. The soil around the edge was very moist, but the nearer to the center I got, the drier the soil was. I could still see the shape of the previous pot, it was definitely root bound before and it was very hard to get in between the roots. I took off any dead roots. They were limp, flattened and black in colour.

As of now, I'm letting the roots dry out a bit and I'm letting the soil dry as well. I'm going to replace the soil tomorrow.

I think a lot of the corm is currently above ground, can I put it under the soil with no consequence? There's one tiny pup forming, I thought it had died, but I can now see a small green tip with a blackish head coming out of the corm. I will update this comment with a pic soon.

With the tiny pup trying to pop out, can I take off the pseudostem so the corm expends more energy into the pup?

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Tiny pup (Thumb for scale):



Do not cut the stem. No need to. When you replant in sand, make sure that the corm is buried but not more than needed. It should be fine.
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