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Old 11-19-2016, 06:36 PM   #21 (permalink)
 
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I understood that. It wasn't what I was asking.

Frequent watering, even a small amount, is just as bad as over watering. The roots need air, so small amounts of water daily can keep the top of the pot sealed so the roots and soil can not breathe. Thus, the top of the soil needs to 'dry out' before each watering.

Also, since the plant has lost its ability for the leaves to 'transpire', then it does not need watering or very little.

Your description of the soil still being wet after 2 weeks of no water; does this soil have those 'water retaining' crystals? If so, get rid of them. The soil needs to drain.
I'm taking JP's advice to replace the 'universal potting soil' it was in with coarse sand. The soil has nothing in it that would retain even more water than usual in this type of soil. Thanks for all the info and advice!
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Yes! Got it now.
You should really do it ASAP. The faster, the better. Is it on top of a heating system?
If very hot air comes out of this, it may be one of the causes of the leaves drying.
When the radiator near the plant is on, most of the heat instantly gets mixed with the much colder air coming from the window.

I'll see if there is a shop open tomorrow that sells coarse sand (I'm thinking cactus mix, maybe? I can use it to repot my pitcher plant as well!)
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Your pin actually worked for me; apparently we have few Dutch members. Do have an outdoor space to "park" your babies in during summer? If not, would weather permit doing so? Or are they always forced to stay inside and push their little leaves up against windows or door longing for freedom? I ask because figuring out your gardening zone will take some effort and might not be accurate.

I'm bowing out now; you're in good hands with the "guys" on board. BTW, you didn't mention the variety in this thread (unless I'm blind). Do you know what you have there? Or was told you have? JFYI, I don't think it's a Blue Java but what do I know?

Carry on and good luck!
I've parked it in a nice sunny spot near my parents's pond over summer, I was house sitting for them when they were away for a month. Weather was sunny, about 25-30 degrees C, sometimes dipping to 20 and around september there was a short heat wave with temperatures topping 34 degrees C. My banana looked beautiful then, it had 8 healthy leaves. They've kept it there for a bit longer since it was too much of a hassle to bring my plants back home with me in the train When it suddenly got cold outside (about 10! degrees C) my mother brought it inside and it started with the downfall. I think my mother overwatered the plant when that happened, possibly thinking it needed more water... Got down from 8 leaves to just 2 leaves and a cigar and then I got it back here...

Oh, and I have no idea what variety this is! I'm hoping it's a cold-hardy one, since it was outside when the temperature suddenly dipped from daytime 22 degrees to nighttime 10 degrees C! It only was out in that cold for one night, so I'm hoping that wasn't the cause of all this...

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Final update for now, I've repotted my plant in cactus mix, a very well draining type of soil composed of sand and peat. I'm hoping this is what my plant needs to get back to health. I'll post an update in about a month, as requested by JP. Thanks all for giving advice and information, I really appreciate it!

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The cigar leaf looks to be in a bit worse condition than yesterday. I really, really hope it will unfurl over the next few weeks and makes room for a new one!
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Old 11-20-2016, 09:28 AM   #25 (permalink)
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It should work. I would have used only pure coarse sand to get better and faster results.
Let's see how it goes. Good luck!
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Sorry for the other peopel but this is for me easer to do in Nederlands

Hallo Pinky
Ik denk dat het een Musa Basjoo is.
De verbrande bladeren kan komen dat de verhoudingen van de spiritus en zeep te sterk waren.
Mijn tip is om eerst al de dode resten van de bladeren en stelen te verwijderen en ook de resten daarvan van de pseudostam te halen.
Je kan bij intratuin goede universele grond krijgen.
Eerst zoveel mogelijk oude grond verwijderen zonder de wortels te veel te beschadigen.
Dan op potten en een paar keer de pot op een harde ondergrond zetten zodat de grond inklinkt laat hem dan een paar dagen met rust en alleen de grond vochtig maken met een planten spuit als er weer groei zichtbaar is gewoon water geven en het beste met handwarm water.
Ps mocht hij dood gaan heb ik wel een gratis stek voor jou
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ah ... google translate works good.
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When the radiator near the plant is on, most of the heat instantly gets mixed with the much colder air coming from the window.

I'll see if there is a shop open tomorrow that sells coarse sand (I'm thinking cactus mix, maybe? I can use it to repot my pitcher plant as well!)

Never put a banana plant next to a radiator or even close
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All of my new plants are standing on a radiator for a better develpment of the roots
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All of my new plants are standing on a radiator for a better develpment of the roots
If you want better root development your best option would be heat mat, which will keep your pots warm, not to hot and not to cold.A radiator creates temperature fluctuations when your heating is on and off, looking at the picture it looks like you have a double convector radiator, banana plant leaves suffer badly with very hot dry air next to a radiator, also red spider mite will be attracted to it like a magnet,all that stress could kill your banana plant off eventually.Make sure your plant is south facing and draining holes are at the bottom of the pot,the mix you have in the pot needs perlite adding to it, unless your going to use coarse sand.

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If you want better root development your best option would be heat mat, which will keep your pots warm, not to hot and not to cold.A radiator creates temperature fluctuations when your heating is on and off, looking at the picture it looks like you have a double convector radiator, banana plant leaves suffer badly with very hot dry air next to a radiator, also red spider mite will be attracted to it like a magnet,all that stress could kill your banana plant off eventually.
Hello Mushtag
First it is not my picture and i do not have them like this on the radiator.
I have placet them on a big piece of wood that so they can not be to hot and works like a heating mat, whit a great dish water for humid air.

Ps you have nice musa's in your collectie
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Old 11-20-2016, 04:04 PM   #32 (permalink)
 
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Sorry for the other peopel but this is for me easer to do in Nederlands

Hallo Pinky
Ik denk dat het een Musa Basjoo is.
De verbrande bladeren kan komen dat de verhoudingen van de spiritus en zeep te sterk waren.
Mijn tip is om eerst al de dode resten van de bladeren en stelen te verwijderen en ook de resten daarvan van de pseudostam te halen.
Je kan bij intratuin goede universele grond krijgen.
Eerst zoveel mogelijk oude grond verwijderen zonder de wortels te veel te beschadigen.
Dan op potten en een paar keer de pot op een harde ondergrond zetten zodat de grond inklinkt laat hem dan een paar dagen met rust en alleen de grond vochtig maken met een planten spuit als er weer groei zichtbaar is gewoon water geven en het beste met handwarm water.
Ps mocht hij dood gaan heb ik wel een gratis stek voor jou
Gr Jeroen
I'll be Dutch right back to you!

Ik heb hem nu al verpot, en ik heb nu ook de droge en zwarte delen van de plant weggehaald. Ik heb ook een poging gedaan om de sigaar een beetje open te krijgen, en het lijkt er op dat de oplossing voor een beetje rot heeft gezorgd dicht bij de basis... De steel van dat blad is nog intact en groen, dus ik denk dat er nog wel transport van voedingsstoffen kan zijn.

Als over een maand blijkt dat de plant echt niet meer beter wordt, zal ik contact met je opnemen, want een gratis stek sla ik zeker niet af! Bedankt voor het aanbod!
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put the pot on great dish water for humid air but make sure that the ground will not be to wet and wait 2 weeks

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Sorry for the other peopel but this is for me easer to do in Nederlands

Hallo Pinky
Ik denk dat het een Musa Basjoo is.
De verbrande bladeren kan komen dat de verhoudingen van de spiritus en zeep te sterk waren.
Mijn tip is om eerst al de dode resten van de bladeren en stelen te verwijderen en ook de resten daarvan van de pseudostam te halen.
Je kan bij intratuin goede universele grond krijgen.
Eerst zoveel mogelijk oude grond verwijderen zonder de wortels te veel te beschadigen.
Dan op potten en een paar keer de pot op een harde ondergrond zetten zodat de grond inklinkt laat hem dan een paar dagen met rust en alleen de grond vochtig maken met een planten spuit als er weer groei zichtbaar is gewoon water geven en het beste met handwarm water.
Ps mocht hij dood gaan heb ik wel een gratis stek voor jou
Gr Jeroen
I thought too at first that the soap concentration was too high but the roots blackening and becoming mushy made me think that the problem is from the soil retaining too much humidity.
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if anything it might send up a pup.. whatever you do DO NOT water it for atleast a few weeks.
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Pinky did re-pot with new soil, a little water is needed to make the new soil moist but not wet.
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Pinky did re-pot with new soil, a little water is needed to make the new soil moist but not wet.
I watered a tiny little bit and I'm leaving it be at least until I notice the top half inch is dried out.
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Get a low cost moisture probe to test the soil deeper and at the roots.
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