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Old 11-13-2017, 08:51 AM   #21 (permalink)
 
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What steps do you use for nematode control?

Remove the weeds around the banana plants so the bare ground can solerize as much as possible.

Nemicides are available for control, but expensive for home gardeners. However, these might be considered, considering the cost of growing bananas.

Also, Marigolds can be used to control nematodes. Grow marigolds in a side garden and when 2 to 3 months old cut and mulch. Then spread around the banana plants and till in. Marigolds contain a natural chemical proven to kill nematodes. ... You might be able to grow along side banana, then mow down & mulch the marigolds. ... Other plants can do the same, but normally used as cover crops during the fall & winter.

Organic mulch & manures promote growth of beneficial bacteria, fungus, and 'good' nematodes to control root nematodes.

Have a soils test done by your county extension agent to determin the type of nematode in the soil.
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So far I have done little as I only very recently identified them as the issue. From what I have read, there is no cure, only treatments. Nematicides are not only expensive, they are very toxic. I would guess you would need to wait at least a year before eating anything from the soil you treated. The closest thing to a cure would be to rip out all the bananas, spray with nematicide, wait a year then replant only sterile plantings... I'm not doing that. Besides, critters would bring them right back on their claws soon enough.
Botanical_Bryce gave me some food for thought in another thread about SH 3640 on what I can do, as well...It's a bit labor intensive for established plants, but I will be trying it on a few smaller ones heavily ravaged by them. Marigolds, huh? Will look into that...
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Marigolds (Tagetes spp.) for Nematode Management
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I have looked into that. It may be a good idea for some things but not so sure with bananas. This one sentence ruined it for me..
. "Intercropping marigold with other crops to reduce plant-parasitic nematodes does not appear to be effective. " ... this sentence is found as the first sentence of the last paragraph before the heading "Considerations"
That said, I will still try planting marigolds around my bananas. Even if it doesn't help, it will be prettier than the weeds that usually pop up. No matter what they found, they didn't test it with bananas and it seems to me it may help. Keep in mind, a quarter inch between roots is like a quarter mile to a nematode, so I can see why it may not work. Thank you to everyone who has offered suggestions. I am going to try them all. This is no time for experimentation.
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Specifically cracker jack marigolds as all marigolds are not effective. They help but don't kill since it only gets nematodes that choose the marigold. Planting annual rye helps and will boost the effectiveness of the mykos since rye is an excellent endomykorhizae host boosting soil levels and choking weed nematode hosts out.
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Here is a link for bulk cracker jack & French marigolds at $7.95 for 1/4 lb or $17.95 /lb.
https://www.americanmeadows.com/wild...RoC4c8QAvD_BwE

There are about 99,000 seeds per lb
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Here is a link for bulk cracker jack & French marigolds at $7.95 for 1/ lb or $17.95 /lb.
https://www.americanmeadows.com/wild...RoC4c8QAvD_BwE

There are about 99,000 seeds per lb
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I am quite certain it is not weevils. Still have not caught a single adult. Most likely nematodes, being here in Florida and all... Anyway, I wanted to share what seems to me to be a characteristic issue with these little buggers,,, What I like to call "Umbrella effect" It has to do with how they grow after being infected but before actual decline sets in. Normal leaves come out and add height to the Pstem, 2-6 inches each or so, but after these things take hold they keep making leaves but they don't get any larger and little or no height is added, so the plant takes on a sort of umbrella look to it. 6-8 leaves all coming out in a 2 inch span of PS, if that. Here is a Goldfinger which was growing strong until a couple months ago when they began attacking in force, then the umbrella effect...


I'm not an expert but from my experience Banana Borers stay hidden.You won't readily find one around the plant. I reckon your photos show evidence of Banana BorerWeevils. I use pheromoneTraps which keep BorerWeevils under control .
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The sites I read claim that if you split a PS down the middle and lay it on the ground, they will be found readily on the underside. Also, another way to catch them which is supposed to be better yet is to cut a PS and set the cut piece back on top of the stump and they supposedly cannot resist getting in between the 2 pieces. I tried both and checked daily for about 2 weeks... Not even one...
That said, I can only assume nematodes at this point. Weevils would be easier, for sure. I wish you were right.
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The sites I read claim that if you split a PS down the middle and lay it on the ground, they will be found readily on the underside. Also, another way to catch them which is supposed to be better yet is to cut a PS and set the cut piece back on top of the stump and they supposedly cannot resist getting in between the 2 pieces. I tried both and checked daily for about 2 weeks... Not even one...
That said, I can only assume nematodes at this point. Weevils would be easier, for sure. I wish you were right.
Thanks. I still think you have borer. But could easily be wrong. Thanks for posting the pics It would be good if Gabe could give an opinion re your photos..
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The adult bug can be easily trapped. And, the tunnels can be easily seen.

For pictures ... ref:https://www.daf.qld.gov.au/plants/fr...a-weevil-borer



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O.K.
I have begun implementing steps to control nematodes and give my poor plants a fighting chance. I only wish I had done this nearly a year ago. Here are some of the hilites...
I dug out the sand about 3 ft wide and a foot or so deep. Filled with good fertile soil and kitty litter (instead of vermiculite. It loosens soil and adds natural acidic clay for a fraction of the cost.) after a bleach bath and some trimming. Also added Azomite to soil and Mykos innoculant to roots.
See how well the last surgery helped out the Paggi... lots of nice new roots and a strong cigar shooting... I hated to dig it up but know they would just come back in a few months.









Sand is supposed to be the best thing for nematodes to spread in, so out with all the sand... Here is what I used to fill the hole:



Plus a little of this...



The bag of manure is the one I use for fertilizing as it is .5. 5. 5 like black cow (only much less expensive.). The other bags I filled the hole with are also cow manure and compost but at the rate of .05 .05 .05. Both from walmart.

Paggi roots covered in Mykos innoculant before planting..



All done. Back in the ground all safe and sound...




I did the same for the VC out by the fence which was nearly dead. Went to lift it out after digging and outer PS was like slime...slipped off like rotten skin. It also had some damage inside the PS... See here, the VC and it's pup...



I trimmed off a bunch of small pups to keep the strength for growing and getting strong...



The pup...



Something in the PS... (Nothing in PS of Paggi.)

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You have Cosmopilites Sordidus aka banana corm weevil and implementing good cultural practices is the easiest way to control the insect. Most likely you also have nematodes but again implementing good cultural practices is the easiest control. IMO baiting traps are a waste of time and pesticides can work but at a cost and there is also labor involved with the application. Implementing cultural practices that have no cost or labor are preferable when dealing with an ongoing problem. Eradication is not really a solution because you probably have neighbors providing refuge and the adult weevil have very few predators. You have eggs, larvae, and adults so start by identifying which is the simplest to control and then learn how to control it. There is more than enough information available on the International Banana Society website that these problems shouldn't even be a concern.



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O.K.
I have begun implementing steps to control nematodes and give my poor plants a fighting chance. I only wish I had done this nearly a year ago. Here are some of the hilites...
I dug out the sand about 3 ft wide and a foot or so deep. Filled with good fertile soil and kitty litter (instead of vermiculite. It loosens soil and adds natural acidic clay for a fraction of the cost.) after a bleach bath and some trimming. Also added Azomite to soil and Mykos innoculant to roots.
See how well the last surgery helped out the Paggi... lots of nice new roots and a strong cigar shooting... I hated to dig it up but know they would just come back in a few months.









Sand is supposed to be the best thing for nematodes to spread in, so out with all the sand... Here is what I used to fill the hole:



Plus a little of this...



The bag of manure is the one I use for fertilizing as it is .5. 5. 5 like black cow (only much less expensive.). The other bags I filled the hole with are also cow manure and compost but at the rate of .05 .05 .05. Both from walmart.

Paggi roots covered in Mykos innoculant before planting..



All done. Back in the ground all safe and sound...




I did the same for the VC out by the fence which was nearly dead. Went to lift it out after digging and outer PS was like slime...slipped off like rotten skin. It also had some damage inside the PS... See here, the VC and it's pup...



I trimmed off a bunch of small pups to keep the strength for growing and getting strong...



The pup...



Something in the PS... (Nothing in PS of Paggi.)

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First of all, welcome back... I hope you fared well thru the storm... Did anything survive down there or did it all need to be stumped?
Thanks for your input... When I dug out the VC and cleaned it up I came to realize I had both weevils and nematodes. I am just now learning to deal with them and welcome any information I can get. You usually don't learn to deal with a problem you have never had, but only after you get it.
One thing is for certain, some varieties are way more susceptible than others. Anyone looking for a bulletproof banana needs to get a Brazilian. Mine is in between all the other plants with issues and seems unscathed.
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First of all, welcome back... I hope you fared well thru the storm... Did anything survive down there or did it all need to be stumped?
The storm was great and we were very lucky to get a direct hit as it came ashore. This was probably the worst storm to hit our area in the past 500 years, so it gave us the perfect opportunity to evaluate some of our cultural practices.

Fruit trees

Most of our fruit trees were leveled, but it gave us the perfect opportunity to remove the less desirable types and focus on saving the ones that we really enjoy.

Jungle

This was the coolest thing I've ever seen in a storm and would of never expected it. We also had a tornado touch down which was pretty FN cool too. A mountain jungle is an amazing place but is also very dangerous and heavy equipment is not


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Thanks for your input... When I dug out the VC and cleaned it up I came to realize I had both weevils and nematodes. I am just now learning to deal with them and welcome any information I can get. You usually don't learn to deal with a problem you have never had, but only after you get it.
One thing is for certain, some varieties are way more susceptible than others. Anyone looking for a bulletproof banana needs to get a Brazilian. Mine is in between all the other plants with issues and seems unscathed.
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The part about the trees made sense, and I get the tornado part, but the rest of this paragraph seems to be missing something...

"This was the coolest thing I've ever seen in a storm and would of never expected it. We also had a tornado touch down which was pretty FN cool too. A mountain jungle is an amazing place but is also very dangerous and heavy equipment is not"

What was the coolest thing you've ever seen in a storm? Also, what of heavy equipment in a mountain jungle?.... All you said about your bananas was Woohoo... All stumps now I assume...
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The part about the trees made sense, and I get the tornado part, but the rest of this paragraph seems to be missing something...

"This was the coolest thing I've ever seen in a storm and would of never expected it. We also had a tornado touch down which was pretty FN cool too. A mountain jungle is an amazing place but is also very dangerous and heavy equipment is not"

What was the coolest thing you've ever seen in a storm? Also, what of heavy equipment in a mountain jungle?.... All you said about your bananas was Woohoo... All stumps now I assume...
Stumps???

You Gotta Be Kidding 200 mph winds ain't nothin for a banana plant.

I think you're confusing our group with some Duckweed Club from Lower Ohio.

We're not a Club, we're a Society

And not just any Society, we're a Banana Society

And not just any Banana Society, we're the International Banana Society

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