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Old 12-03-2017, 07:12 PM   #21 (permalink)
 
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I have ordered quite a number of plants from florida hills nursery. what you got from sddarkman is larger than what you normally get from florida hills. if you got a bigger plant count yourself lucky.

now while I have never bought a plant from sddarkman [only because he is selling bananas I already have] he would be the first person I WOULD BUY A BANANA FROM. MAKE NO MISTAKE. I do not owe the darkman nothing and he owes me nothing. he would be the first person I would buy from. I have seen many pics of his plants they are well taken care of and he IS a very respected person on this FORUM.

tc's are very tender. your plants will be fine. NOW can you make them live. I CAN.

NOW edwmax is one of the few forum members who does tc's he is very very knowledgeable with tc's to name a bit of it. he has posted the care for your tc's just recently I would suggest you do what everybody else here does. READ.
Out of that whole post of yours you didn't bother to state what the burnt leaves or brown edges could be from? While I'm not familiar with growing bananas, other plants that display this is usually sunburn scorched leaves or fertilizer burn. Is it normal to expect any kind of plant to be in this condition especially after spending $15 for a 4" pot?
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Kanana, I guess you didn't want my opinion? I sent you several messages and I guess you just didn't like what I had to say.

They are not diseased.

Maybe someone elses answer will benefit you better than mine.

Since you are not happy with the plants or my answers please feel free to continue buying from Florida Hills.

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I got these from sddarkman619 here on the forum. Are these shipping stress or disease? These don't look as healthy as even the cheap $9 plants from Florida Hill that are double or triple the size of these tiny GoldFinger plants.

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The above pic shows it next to a Basijoo I ordered from Florida Hill Nursery 2 weeks ago that was $8.99.

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what the burnt leaves or brown edges could be from? While I'm not familiar with growing bananas,

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as I said in my private message to YOU, what you think are burnt leaves are What is typically calls wine spots on the mid leaf, they are normal for certain banana plants. the brown edges are either from stress or ME cutting off part of the leaf, and then it dying back a little.

Gosh, I just repeated what I said in my message to you. I guess my answers aren't helpful.

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Let me post here what I also said in my PM to you in regards to your dig at my price:

"I'm not really going to talk money or price, if you are not happy you can send them back.

I am sure that FLA hills nursery sent you plants that were NOT potted in soil and pots, and that's where the difference comes in. I pot all my plants with good soil and feed them. He leaves his in the trays they come in and doesn't pot them in new pots with new soil and fertilizer. Then there's the water I pay for when I water the plants.
He doesn't pay for pots, soil and fertilizer for the potted plants like I do.

You also don't know if you are really getting what you paid for with him. At least with me you do, I have a reputation to uphold where as FLa Hills was kicked off here adn people know that sometimes you don't get what you ordered with him. "

As you can see from the root system, my plants have been growing for a while in the pots and are ready to transplant. and grow fruit for you.

again, if you are not happy please by all means send them back. I'm more than happy to send you a refund when I get them back.
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Actually, when I said burn spots or torn edges it i not the reddish wine spots I'm talking about. I thought it was obvious I meant the outer edges of the plant. Like I said, Banana plants may be new to me, but I understand plants in general and yellowing or brown spots is never a sign of good health I don't care how you try to spin it.

Bottom line is you shouldn't have sent out the plant in THAT condition PERIOD. For $15 it should have 3 or 4 pure green healthy leaves. If I was a seller and sold this I would be embarrassed to be honest, especially for $15 for each tiny plant.

Sorry man, I'm not feeling any sympathy because you have to pay for water. Are you kidding me? With that twisted logic then the plants at Lowes or Home Depot would be $100 for a 2 foot banana Cavendish considering all the water, soil and fertilizer it needed to get that big.

Honestly, I would have expected if you knew these looked like this you would have warned me like you did about the Manzanos you had listed on eBay. Had I bought them on eBay based on the pics you posted online, and then I get nasty leaves you bet I would want a refund and no I'm not going to have to pay for the return shipping if this was what was sent as a "healthy plant". And as for getting a refund on these you honestly don't expect ME to pay for return shipping considering these were your plants you sold to me in this condition. It's not like I did this as these pictures were taken within minutes after I took them out of the box which I will credit you did a great job with the packaging.
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Actually, when I said burn spots or torn edges it i not the reddish wine spots I'm talking about. I thought it was obvious I meant the outer edges of the plant. Like I said, Banana plants may be new to me, but I understand plants in general and yellowing or brown spots is never a sign of good health I don't care how you try to spin it.

Bottom line is you shouldn't have sent out the plant in THAT condition PERIOD. For $15 it should have 3 or 4 pure green healthy leaves. If I was a seller and sold this I would be embarrassed to be honest, especially for $15 for each tiny plant.

Sorry man, I'm not feeling any sympathy because you have to pay for water. Are you kidding me? With that twisted logic then the plants at Lowes or Home Depot would be $100 for a 2 foot banana Cavendish considering all the water, soil and fertilizer it needed to get that big.

Honestly, I would have expected if you knew these looked like this you would have warned me like you did about the Manzanos you had listed on eBay. Had I bought them on eBay based on the pics you posted online, and then I get nasty leaves you bet I would want a refund and no I'm not going to have to pay for the return shipping if this was what was sent as a "healthy plant". And as for getting a refund on these you honestly don't expect ME to pay for return shipping considering these were your plants you sold to me in this condition. It's not like I did this as these pictures were taken within minutes after I took them out of the box which I will credit you did a great job with the packaging.
Kanana I'm no expert but the pictures you posted look like very healthy plants to me. I would love to have plants that small that looked as good a little leaf browning on banana plants is normal from my experience anyway. they will settle in and put out new leafs you should really do a little research before attacking the seller after seeing your pictures I would not hesitate to buy from darkman

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I'm not attacking the seller but rather want to get what I pay for as far as healthy plants. Everyone wants to trash Florida Hill Nursery and I have issues with them as well (mostly customer service being non-existent) but out of the 6 plants I received they were all nice and green and none of these torn / ripped leaves and brown and yellow spots like a disease or fertilizer burn or mineral deficiency. If all 6 of the FL Hill plants had ripped and brown edges I would have contacted paypal pretty quick to get the issue resolved as FL Hill doesn't respond to phone calls or emails.
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the yellow and brown areas your referring to appear to be from hardening the plant. the plants you got from florida hill are not hardened. also the plants from florida hill are probably not what you ordered but wont really know until they fruit. please look at florida hills reputation and then compare it to darkmans reputation. wait a couple weeks then report back as to wich plants look healthier
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I got these from sddarkman619 here on the forum. Are these shipping stress or disease? These don't look as healthy as even the cheap $9 plants from Florida Hill that are double or triple the size of these tiny GoldFinger plants.

Here are two pics of the first plant:





The above pic shows it next to a Basijoo I ordered from Florida Hill Nursery 2 weeks ago that was $8.99.

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Kanana, I understand how frustrating it can be to get less than you paid for, since I just went through all of this with my Wellspring bananas, and they weren't even worth sending back. However, I recently bought a Dwarf Iholena and a Dwarf Namwa from sddarkman619 and they are much healthier and larger than the tissue cultured bananas that I got from Wellsprings. They look similar to your little Goldfinger. I just got them in the mail this past Monday and they are growing strong (the new leaves have grown out about 3" on the Iholena and 4.5" on the Namwa). From what I can tell, all the new growth is looking pretty good. I've never kept bananas before, so from personal experience, I don't know what normal looks like for bananas, but these appear to be looking better every day, and not worse.

On the other hand, my little bananas from Wellspring were looking worse every day and the black spots even turned yellow with gray spots in the center. At that point, I cut them back to stumps, treated them with neem about 4-5 times, as well as with Serenade Garden, pealed off the outer pseudostems, and cut them back to stumps below all traces of diseases. Now, the new leaves are looking like I finally beat the disease and are looking normal, now.

Anyway, after all that, the Wellspring bananas are only a fraction of the size of what I received and the bananas that I got from sddarkman619 are looking pretty exciting. Also, sddarkman619 was recommended to me by another member, who is a proficient grower, and who was happy with an Iholena that he got from him. I might even buy another Iholena from him, if I see that I'm going to have the room for it. I only have so much space, since I'm keeping them in containers and bringing them inside during the winter.

Maybe spray with neem and or Bayer Serenade Garden, if it's not looking better every day, and from what I've read about Goldfinger, it should be a hardy little banana for you. I don't think that you will be disappointed for long.
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Well sddarkman said his are hardened off so I will place them outside under my makeshift shade cover in a week and see if they improve. Tomorrow I will repot them in 1 gallon containers to give the roots more room to grow. I hope they grow into healthy trees as I have read the Goldfinger is a good tasting banana.
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Well sddarkman said his are hardened off so I will place them outside under my makeshift shade cover in a week and see if they improve. Tomorrow I will repot them in 1 gallon containers to give the roots more room to grow. I hope they grow into healthy trees as I have read the Goldfinger is a good tasting banana.
You will be happy when you transplant, they will take off. If they die for some odd reason send me photos. I'll take care of you.
I like happy customers, but right now you are not happy so let's let them grow out a little.
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Well sddarkman said his are hardened off so I will place them outside under my makeshift shade cover in a week and see if they improve. Tomorrow I will repot them in 1 gallon containers to give the roots more room to grow. I hope they grow into healthy trees as I have read the Goldfinger is a good tasting banana.
Be careful of how deep you repot the plant. Bananas are not like tomatoes, deeper is not better. ... One of your photos above seems to show the plant has soil up almost to the end of an old leaf stem on the pstem. I'm not sure it was potted deeper or the leaf sheaf has been peeled to almost to the soil.

Anyway banana plants normally have their roots just under the top of the soil. On larger plants, the corm crown will be at or just above the soil and one might see few roots running on top of the ground. .... One does not bury any plant so that its leaves are also buried. The pstem of a banana plant is ALL leaves (100%) & leaf stem.

Your plants from skdarkman looks good. Just give them a little time to grow. Oh, the depth of green will very between different verities of bananas. So comparing the Goldfinger (lighter green) to the darker green Basjo is like comparing the Granny Smith apple to a ripe Macintosh apple.
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Actually, when I said burn spots or torn edges it i not the reddish wine spots I'm talking about. I thought it was obvious I meant the outer edges of the plant. Like I said, Banana plants may be new to me, but I understand plants in general and yellowing or brown spots is never a sign of good health I don't care how you try to spin it.

Bottom line is you shouldn't have sent out the plant in THAT condition PERIOD. For $15 it should have 3 or 4 pure green healthy leaves. If I was a seller and sold this I would be embarrassed to be honest, especially for $15 for each tiny plant.

Sorry man, I'm not feeling any sympathy because you have to pay for water. Are you kidding me? With that twisted logic then the plants at Lowes or Home Depot would be $100 for a 2 foot banana Cavendish considering all the water, soil and fertilizer it needed to get that big.

Honestly, I would have expected if you knew these looked like this you would have warned me like you did about the Manzanos you had listed on eBay. Had I bought them on eBay based on the pics you posted online, and then I get nasty leaves you bet I would want a refund and no I'm not going to have to pay for the return shipping if this was what was sent as a "healthy plant". And as for getting a refund on these you honestly don't expect ME to pay for return shipping considering these were your plants you sold to me in this condition. It's not like I did this as these pictures were taken within minutes after I took them out of the box which I will credit you did a great job with the packaging.
I'll have to remember not to send you any plants.
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Out of that whole post of yours you didn't bother to state what the burnt leaves or brown edges could be from? While I'm not familiar with growing bananas, other plants that display this is usually sunburn scorched leaves or fertilizer burn. Is it normal to expect any kind of plant to be in this condition especially after spending $15 for a 4" pot?
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First of all, thanks so much for all the help that you guys have been so generous in giving me. Now, I've got a couple of more question for you all. I kept fig trees this summer, and I learned that just about every fig in my area has some rust. I treated them with neem and I treated them with serenade Garden, but they still eventually get rust, again. From what I learned this summer, and what I read, it appears that you can never really cure rust, but you can suppress it.

Here's my question, is that the case with most banana disease? If I beat the disease that these little banana plants that I got from Wellspring Gardens have, will the disease just be suppressed, and could it spread to my other banana plants or have a relapse when the banana plants get large and much harder to treat?

Also, these Wellspring banana plants are supposed to be a Dwarf Puerto Rican and a Dwarf Orinoco. The Dwarf Puerto Rican had some red on the new leaf that it had (before I cropped the top). Is that normal for a PR?

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One: You don't have a disease in your new plants. The dead brown edges of the leaf was not from a disease; and you were told that several time above. ... That is the BIG advantage of buying TC plantlet is they were propagated in a sterile environment. ... The rust you refer to is a fungus which is in the soil and the air. Treat it with fungicide. I use copper sufate. It is much cheaper than the off-the-shelf brand mixes.

Two: The red markings is called 'wine stains'. Some banana varieties have this; some don't. It is normal and usually the wine stain fade away as the leaf & plant gets older.
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