Bananas.org

Welcome to the Bananas.org forums.

You're currently viewing our message boards as a guest which gives you limited access to participate in discussions and access our other features such as our wiki and photo gallery. By joining our community, you'll have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload photos, and access many other special features. Registration is fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.

Go Back   Bananas.org > Banana Forum > Banana Plant Health And Maintenance Topics
The Facebook Platform
Register Photo Gallery Classifieds Wiki Chat Map Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Banana Plant Health And Maintenance Topics This forum is for discussions of banana plant health topics such as coloration issues, burning, insects, pruning, transplanting, separating pups, viruses, disease, and other general banana plant health and maintenance issues.


Members currently in the chatroom: 0
The most chatters online in one day was 17, 09-06-2009.
No one is currently using the chat.

Reply   Email this Page Email this Page
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 06-21-2011, 02:35 AM   #1 (permalink)
 
Kostas's Avatar
 
Location: Melissia,Greece
Zone: in Pyrgos,10a and once every 20years,9b,in Melissia,8b/9a
Name: Konstantinos
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 775
BananaBucks : 139,564
Feedback: 1 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 2,133 Times
Was Thanked 1,033 Times in 454 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 8 Times
Send a message via Yahoo to Kostas
Default Bsv?

Hello,

One of my Hua Moa is showing chlorotic patches/streaks on its leafs. It had a little on its first leaf but its showing more chlorotic pattern on its newest leaf. Here are some photos:

First leaf produced after being cut down close to corm for shipping




Second,newest leaf to open








Due to the pattern and the fact that its an AAB cultivar,i am suspecting BSV. Is it really BSV or another virus? Is it a virus at all or just leaf deformity following stress? As you can see,the leaf is deformed where the majority of the chlorotic pattering is,with these veins being shorter than the others(you can see it in the photos if you look at the leaf edge where the most chlorotic patterning is,the edge goes inwards there. Its not due to a drooping leaf,the leaf is mostly flat on all photos.
If it does is BSV,will the banana heal from it by itself and go back to just hosting this virus in its genome? So far,it seems to be the only Hua Moa i have to show this chlorotic patterning but since the others are still early in their growth,i cant be 100% sure the others wont show it.

What would you suggest?

Thank you very much in advance!
__________________
''To try,is to risk failure......To not try,is to guarantee it''

Last edited by Kostas : 06-21-2011 at 02:38 AM.
Kostas is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To Kostas
Said thanks:

Join Bananas.org Today!

Are you a banana plant enthusiast? Then we hope you will join the community. You will gain access to post, create threads, private message, upload images, join groups and more.

Bananas.org is owned and operated by fellow banana plant enthusiasts. We strive to offer a non-commercial community to learn and share information. Receive all three issues from Volume 1 of Bananas Magazine with your membership:
   

Join Bananas.org Today! - Click Here


Sponsors

Old 06-21-2011, 08:39 AM   #2 (permalink)
Retired.
 
Richard's Avatar
 
Location: Vista, CA
Zone: USDA 10b
Name: Richard
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 9,211
BananaBucks : 540
Feedback: 9 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 3,291 Times
Was Thanked 11,292 Times in 4,328 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 1,668 Times
Default Re: Bsv?

There are a lot of publications about banana viruses. In most cases, if you feed your plants a complete fertilizer that contains standard amounts of sulfur, copper, zinc, etc. then these diseases are not an issue.
__________________


8 million banana bucks and counting.
Frequently found at GrowingFruit.org
Richard is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To Richard
Said thanks:
Old 06-21-2011, 02:34 PM   #3 (permalink)
 
Kostas's Avatar
 
Location: Melissia,Greece
Zone: in Pyrgos,10a and once every 20years,9b,in Melissia,8b/9a
Name: Konstantinos
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 775
BananaBucks : 139,564
Feedback: 1 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 2,133 Times
Was Thanked 1,033 Times in 454 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 8 Times
Send a message via Yahoo to Kostas
Default Re: Bsv?

Thank you very much for your reply Richard!

Will it be cured though through these good growing conditions and not appear again? I am worrying because i dont have yearround ideal conditions so the disease would certainly have the chance to take advantage during certain periods. And of course,its not that great to have a diseased plant as it could potentially spread it to healthy ones with the ''help'' of vectors.
I am inclined to think the above pictured incident may actually be disease or maybe mutation(?) as there is a clear patterning and deformity where there is the most chlorotic patterning. It continued in more than 1 leaf so this isnt that good a sign so far but i would certainly appreciate any opinion on this matter! If this plant does prove to be infected with something incurable through easy cultivation practices or a medicine,it would be much better for my other plants if i destroyed it. I have two more of the same variety that so far are not showing any abnormal patterning and so,if the others continue to show healthy growth and this ones proves to be infected with something incurable(and bad),it wouldnt be much problem if i destroyed this one in the interest of keeping the rest of my bananas healthy!

Looking forward to opinions on this one!

Thank you very much in advance!
__________________
''To try,is to risk failure......To not try,is to guarantee it''
Kostas is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To Kostas
Old 06-21-2011, 03:57 PM   #4 (permalink)
 
sunfish's Avatar
 
Location: San Diego
Zone: 9-11
Name: Tony
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 18,426
Feedback: 8 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 3,209 Times
Was Thanked 20,113 Times in 7,712 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 2,716 Times
Default Re: Bsv?

Hua Moa ?

Pisang Klotek

__________________
,Thanks

Last edited by sunfish : 06-21-2011 at 04:01 PM.
sunfish is online now   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To sunfish
Said thanks:
Old 06-21-2011, 04:10 PM   #5 (permalink)
 
Kostas's Avatar
 
Location: Melissia,Greece
Zone: in Pyrgos,10a and once every 20years,9b,in Melissia,8b/9a
Name: Konstantinos
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 775
BananaBucks : 139,564
Feedback: 1 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 2,133 Times
Was Thanked 1,033 Times in 454 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 8 Times
Send a message via Yahoo to Kostas
Default Re: Bsv?

Thank you very much for your reply Tony!

I would say that the first photo shows typical BSV symptoms unfortunately,with chlorosis and necrosis in streaks on the leaf. I would keep it away from the other bananas and look into the subject further for a way to obtain a healthy plant/pup from it. I am no expert on diseases though and it could maybe be a deficiency?

The second photo is close to what i am seeing on my Hua Moa i think. I dont know what it is and really look forward to knowing!

Lets hope our plants are healthy or get well again for good!
__________________
''To try,is to risk failure......To not try,is to guarantee it''

Last edited by Kostas : 06-21-2011 at 05:31 PM.
Kostas is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To Kostas
Sponsors

Old 06-25-2011, 03:14 PM   #6 (permalink)
 
Kostas's Avatar
 
Location: Melissia,Greece
Zone: in Pyrgos,10a and once every 20years,9b,in Melissia,8b/9a
Name: Konstantinos
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 775
BananaBucks : 139,564
Feedback: 1 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 2,133 Times
Was Thanked 1,033 Times in 454 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 8 Times
Send a message via Yahoo to Kostas
Default Re: Bsv?

The newest leaf of the Hua Moa in question,came out with a similar pattern to the previous. I have two more Hua Moa,a bigger one which just opened a leaf full of small speckles of lighter color and a smaller one which has opened two perfect leafs without any pattern on them and it has never produced any patterned leafs. So is it only the small one that is healthy? Is it a characteristic of the Hua Moa to have patterned leafs like that? Does anyone know what this thing is anyway? The patterns are not getting necrotic and are not full stripes from the rhachis to the edge,as the CMV does. Any ideas? Both three of them are growing in the same soil mix and relatively close together.

Thank you very much in advance!
__________________
''To try,is to risk failure......To not try,is to guarantee it''
Kostas is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To Kostas
Old 06-25-2011, 07:19 PM   #7 (permalink)
 
sunfish's Avatar
 
Location: San Diego
Zone: 9-11
Name: Tony
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 18,426
Feedback: 8 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 3,209 Times
Was Thanked 20,113 Times in 7,712 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 2,716 Times
Default Re: Bsv?

New open leaf Hua Moa

__________________
,Thanks
sunfish is online now   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To sunfish
Said thanks:
Old 06-25-2011, 11:23 PM   #8 (permalink)
Muck bananas
 
Nicolas Naranja's Avatar
 
Location: Pahokee, FL
Zone: 10
Name: Nick
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 2,125
BananaBucks : 259,416
Feedback: 6 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 58 Times
Was Thanked 5,091 Times in 1,469 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 7 Times
Send a message via AIM to Nicolas Naranja
Default Re: Bsv?

I would give it a few sprays with foliar fertilizer and see if the condition continues, there are some foliar products like keyplex that also elicit a plant immunoresponse that might help.
__________________
Some people go bananas, I went plantains.
Nicolas Naranja is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To Nicolas Naranja
Said thanks:
Old 06-26-2011, 01:08 PM   #9 (permalink)
 
Kostas's Avatar
 
Location: Melissia,Greece
Zone: in Pyrgos,10a and once every 20years,9b,in Melissia,8b/9a
Name: Konstantinos
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 775
BananaBucks : 139,564
Feedback: 1 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 2,133 Times
Was Thanked 1,033 Times in 454 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 8 Times
Send a message via Yahoo to Kostas
Default Re: Bsv?

Thank you very much both of you for your replies!

Tony,
Your leaf looks similar to mine. On my medium sized one,i get more of a stripped pattern with some blotches of grey looking(like the gray parts seen in Ae Ae)tissue. I dont get any necrosis on the stripes or blotches,i only get the necrosis that is thought to be typical of a Ca deficiency(the cigar burning on the surface most exposed to sun and then it tears off this tissue as it unfolds,its getting less and less though with each leaf).


Nicolas,
I havent ever fertilized those bananas so it might be a deficiency but i cant find any photos of any element deficiency causing these symptoms on bananas. I think Potassium causes some yellow speckling on palms,followed by necrosis of the speckles in most cases but i cant find a similar picture on the net described as caused by something nor any cases of its appearance and disappearance. The most similar photo was a single of a BSV case but most other photos of BSV infection i see,appear to have necrosis between the leaf veins as well. I have recently added beneficial nematodes with a Chitosan solution which is known to boost plant immune system and boost its capabilities of fighting pathogens. This was applied to all my bananas(and palms) about a month ago so it was going to help it clear this problem,i think it should had done it by now. The new leaf doesnt have any less pattern than the previous one i think but it doesnt have any deformed edges i think in areas where there is the most patterning.


So,i think it would be safe to say this patterning is caused by one of 3 causes:
1st,mineral deficiency
2nd,virus
3rd,mutation(causing some form of variegation)

Is there any way to narrow this down? How easy is it to send a sample for virus indexing somewhere? I cant find any lab here in Europe that offers a virus indexing service for bananas to the public,at least not for less than a 100 samples...I contacted several i could find but none were set for testing banana viruses.
If its not virus or another untreatable pathogen,i guess i dont care too much as it wont harm my other bananas so this is the causative factor i want to rule out the most. And the second is mutation but of lesser importance.

I will be adding granular,organic fertilizer within the week and i will try to add some fish fert as well for more rapid action. I really hope its just a deficiency issue and nothing more serious.

Any and all help and thoughts welcome!
__________________
''To try,is to risk failure......To not try,is to guarantee it''
Kostas is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To Kostas
Said thanks:
Old 06-26-2011, 02:13 PM   #10 (permalink)
 
sunfish's Avatar
 
Location: San Diego
Zone: 9-11
Name: Tony
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 18,426
Feedback: 8 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 3,209 Times
Was Thanked 20,113 Times in 7,712 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 2,716 Times
Default Re: Bsv?

He is another one. CG has been putting out leaves like this for a year.Just recently re-potted it and move it from the greenhouse. Maybe with it's new home it will clear up or maybe I have variegated CG.

__________________
,Thanks

Last edited by sunfish : 06-26-2011 at 02:17 PM.
sunfish is online now   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To sunfish
Said thanks:
Old 06-26-2011, 03:39 PM   #11 (permalink)
 
Kostas's Avatar
 
Location: Melissia,Greece
Zone: in Pyrgos,10a and once every 20years,9b,in Melissia,8b/9a
Name: Konstantinos
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 775
BananaBucks : 139,564
Feedback: 1 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 2,133 Times
Was Thanked 1,033 Times in 454 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 8 Times
Send a message via Yahoo to Kostas
Default Re: Bsv?

I see you have quite a few bananas with similar patterning on the leafs. Are they relatively close together? Did you ever see mealy bugs on those bananas? Were they stressed in any manner prior to symptom appearance?
The answers to the above questions actually will still not be any more conclusive unfortunately but would help some when compared all together. The above are ways BSV is transmitted and ways its hidden genome is activated. On the other hand,variegation is also supposed to be caused by some kind of stress or random mistake during cell multiplication in part of the meristem.

I think we really need a banana pathologist's help and expert opinion if we are to find out what this is. A virus indexing would be the ultimate way to rule out virus and if we do a leaf analysis we could also check the chance of a nutrient deficiency causing it. If only i could find a lab able to do the virus indexing...
__________________
''To try,is to risk failure......To not try,is to guarantee it''
Kostas is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To Kostas
Old 06-26-2011, 03:52 PM   #12 (permalink)
 
sunfish's Avatar
 
Location: San Diego
Zone: 9-11
Name: Tony
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 18,426
Feedback: 8 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 3,209 Times
Was Thanked 20,113 Times in 7,712 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 2,716 Times
Default Re: Bsv?

No mealybugs.could be stress. I water very little. Twice a week and not much water.But it's only three plants out of hundreds
__________________
,Thanks
sunfish is online now   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To sunfish
Old 06-26-2011, 04:07 PM   #13 (permalink)
 
Kostas's Avatar
 
Location: Melissia,Greece
Zone: in Pyrgos,10a and once every 20years,9b,in Melissia,8b/9a
Name: Konstantinos
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 775
BananaBucks : 139,564
Feedback: 1 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 2,133 Times
Was Thanked 1,033 Times in 454 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 8 Times
Send a message via Yahoo to Kostas
Default Re: Bsv?

No mealybugs here either. The stress on my case could be them being cut and shipped. The smaller one which shows no sign of patterning(yet)was short enough to not be cut back any. I am watering the big ones in small pots every two days to daily while the ones in big pots about 1-2 times a week. The second seem water stressed to me(none of my Hua Moa are in this group and they dont show any patterning).
3 out of hundreds are quite few and i am amazed i got 2 out of 12(or 31 if you count my TCs)and especially 2 out of 3 Hua Moa pups!

Have all yours been showing the patterning consistently,in every leaf and for some time now?


Nicolas,out of all your Hua Moa and bananas in total,do you have any similar case with ours?
__________________
''To try,is to risk failure......To not try,is to guarantee it''

Last edited by Kostas : 06-26-2011 at 04:11 PM.
Kostas is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To Kostas
Old 06-28-2011, 08:01 AM   #14 (permalink)
 
Kostas's Avatar
 
Location: Melissia,Greece
Zone: in Pyrgos,10a and once every 20years,9b,in Melissia,8b/9a
Name: Konstantinos
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 775
BananaBucks : 139,564
Feedback: 1 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 2,133 Times
Was Thanked 1,033 Times in 454 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 8 Times
Send a message via Yahoo to Kostas
Default Re: Bsv?

Searching the forum for topics discussing similar issues with ours,i came across this one:
Variegated Musa,always crinkle leafs?

The leafs on mine are deformed where there is the most discoloration density so i thought this topic may be of some use. I certainly hope mine outgrow this!
__________________
''To try,is to risk failure......To not try,is to guarantee it''
Kostas is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To Kostas
Old 06-28-2011, 08:21 AM   #15 (permalink)
 
Kostas's Avatar
 
Location: Melissia,Greece
Zone: in Pyrgos,10a and once every 20years,9b,in Melissia,8b/9a
Name: Konstantinos
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 775
BananaBucks : 139,564
Feedback: 1 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 2,133 Times
Was Thanked 1,033 Times in 454 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 8 Times
Send a message via Yahoo to Kostas
Default Re: Bsv?

Another similar one:

Variegated or diseased?
__________________
''To try,is to risk failure......To not try,is to guarantee it''
Kostas is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To Kostas
Old 06-28-2011, 09:13 AM   #16 (permalink)
 
Kostas's Avatar
 
Location: Melissia,Greece
Zone: in Pyrgos,10a and once every 20years,9b,in Melissia,8b/9a
Name: Konstantinos
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 775
BananaBucks : 139,564
Feedback: 1 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 2,133 Times
Was Thanked 1,033 Times in 454 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 8 Times
Send a message via Yahoo to Kostas
Default Re: Bsv?

Yet another thread with similar questions,unfortunately always ending up unanswered...

Basjoo with white streaked leaves

And here is a thread about Mitchel's Pisang Klotek randomly growing a pup with the same streaks as ours. And the pup of this pup had the same pattern on its leafs as well.

Variegated Pisang Klotek


Reading all these cases so far,its getting clearer that this ''variegation'' is probably not from nutrient deficiency but for either a random mutation taking place,or from the BSV sequence present in the B genome getting activated for some reason. But,reading the thread about Musa basjoo developing these streaks,if it was BSV,it could only be present in these plantlets through infection from another banana or the donor plant multiplicated. However,only 2 of the plantlets supposedly showed these streaks which would not happen i think in the case of a virus. If a virus was present,it would probably infect all plantlets and cause that streaking. So,i am leaning towards it being a random mutation,something i cant verify though without a virus indexing of my pups. Still,if this is a mutation and the pups dont grow out of it nor produce normal pups,that would still be a problem,although a less serious one as the risk of transmission wont exist...


Looking forward to your thoughts,suggestions and personal experiences! I am particularly interested to know if anyone of you had a banana with similar patterning on its leafs,grow out of this or produce fully normal pups.

Thank you very much in advance!
__________________
''To try,is to risk failure......To not try,is to guarantee it''

Last edited by Kostas : 06-28-2011 at 09:29 AM.
Kostas is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To Kostas

Join Bananas.org Today!

Are you a banana plant enthusiast? Then we hope you will join the community. You will gain access to post, create threads, private message, upload images, join groups and more.

Bananas.org is owned and operated by fellow banana plant enthusiasts. We strive to offer a non-commercial community to learn and share information. Receive all three issues from Volume 1 of Bananas Magazine with your membership:
   

Join Bananas.org Today! - Click Here


Sponsors

Old 06-28-2011, 10:16 AM   #17 (permalink)
 
Kostas's Avatar
 
Location: Melissia,Greece
Zone: in Pyrgos,10a and once every 20years,9b,in Melissia,8b/9a
Name: Konstantinos
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 775
BananaBucks : 139,564
Feedback: 1 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 2,133 Times
Was Thanked 1,033 Times in 454 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 8 Times
Send a message via Yahoo to Kostas
Default Re: Bsv?

Just one more link of interesting reading. If you look closely and carefully to photos of variegated bananas,even Ae Ae to a lesser degree,you will see that their variegation is formed by shapes similar to identical with the ones seen in our photos,They are all made up of compilations of streaks and speckles. Just look at Musa ''Ta Nee'',variegated Dwarf Namwah,etc and you will see the pattern. Namwah ''pearl'' has exactly the same patterns as well in a reverse variegation though(the light streaks on our plants are of dark green color in this one).
In page 4 of the topic below,varig8 does a nice sum regarding the properties of such plants. Our plants certainly do not qualify as variegated in any significant degree but that seems to be minor variegation most probably instead of virus.

Variegated Dwarf Namwah Pearl
__________________
''To try,is to risk failure......To not try,is to guarantee it''
Kostas is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To Kostas
Old 06-28-2011, 02:00 PM   #18 (permalink)
Banana grower
 
momoese's Avatar
 
Zone: zone 10
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 7,507
BananaBucks : 12,481
Feedback: 9 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 3,634 Times
Was Thanked 10,445 Times in 3,138 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 713 Times
Default Re: Bsv?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kostas View Post


And here is a thread about Mitchel's Pisang Klotek randomly growing a pup with the same streaks as ours. And the pup of this pup had the same pattern on its leafs as well.

Variegated Pisang Klotek



I'm going to update that thread.
__________________
MitchelClick for Los Angeles, California Forecast
momoese is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To momoese
Said thanks:
Old 06-29-2011, 05:30 AM   #19 (permalink)
 
Kostas's Avatar
 
Location: Melissia,Greece
Zone: in Pyrgos,10a and once every 20years,9b,in Melissia,8b/9a
Name: Konstantinos
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 775
BananaBucks : 139,564
Feedback: 1 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 2,133 Times
Was Thanked 1,033 Times in 454 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 8 Times
Send a message via Yahoo to Kostas
Default Re: Bsv?

This is total madness,now my ''Tall Red'' threw a variegated(or ''variegated'',who knows?) leaf.......At least its not streaked like my Hua Moa and doesnt have any deformation,its two,parallel to the leaf veins, stripes of much lighter colored tissue that are spreading and joined towards the edge of the leaf.
__________________
''To try,is to risk failure......To not try,is to guarantee it''
Kostas is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To Kostas
Old 06-29-2011, 09:55 PM   #20 (permalink)
Muck bananas
 
Nicolas Naranja's Avatar
 
Location: Pahokee, FL
Zone: 10
Name: Nick
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 2,125
BananaBucks : 259,416
Feedback: 6 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 58 Times
Was Thanked 5,091 Times in 1,469 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 7 Times
Send a message via AIM to Nicolas Naranja
Default Re: Bsv?

25-30 out of 360, if you have what I have it is a deleterious mutation and never really straightens out. I forgot all about it, the plants look like normal Hua Moas and then they don't get tall and just start looking weird. It's kinda hard to tell but those leaves have slight variegation.





Quote:
Originally Posted by Kostas View Post

Nicolas,out of all your Hua Moa and bananas in total,do you have any similar case with ours?
__________________
Some people go bananas, I went plantains.

Last edited by Nicolas Naranja : 06-29-2011 at 10:00 PM.
Nicolas Naranja is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To Nicolas Naranja
Said thanks:
Sponsors

Reply   Email this Page Email this Page






Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:41 PM.





Follow us:
Twitter YouTube

All content © Bananas.org & the respective author.