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Banana Economics Forum Bananas are the number one exported fruit in the world, and the number one fruit eaten in nearly every country. This forum is for discussions of the economics of bananas involving producers, economists, consumers, transporters, wholesalers, and governments.


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Old 11-05-2008, 09:44 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Default Re: Cavendish replacement efforts

Aren't some of these FHIA varieties resistant to Panama and Sigatoka?
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Old 11-06-2008, 08:47 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Are the resitant types similar to Cavendish?
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Old 11-06-2008, 10:18 PM   #23 (permalink)
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AGRI-STARTS, INC.: Musa FHIA-18

AGRI-STARTS, INC.: Musa FHIA-1 'Goldfinger'

I thought there was one resistant to both, but only FHIA-18 is resistant to Sigatoka. I'm a fan of the manzano types and wouldn't mind at all seeing some in the grocery stores.
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Old 07-25-2009, 11:10 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Default Re: Cavendish replacement efforts

Personally I'm of mind to think that a different banana is brought in, like the Cavendish did with the Gros Michel, and that is it. People still bought it.

I've stopped buying the commercial Dole/Chiquita bananas. The carbon footprint has disgusted me - plus the blandness of the bananas. Just like California tomatoes in January...

Growing my own tomatoes and eating them in season.

Growing my own bananas and will eat them if/when they fruit.

I know my not buying them has no impact on the market and industry. It sure seems like it anyway.

How much more destruction can be justified for 49 cents a pound bananas? That's just stupid.
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Old 07-26-2009, 12:11 AM   #25 (permalink)
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Well, the American market for such a good is pretty tricky. I think that education is a GREAT idea! As well as advertisement. If you educate the public about the different flavors/uses of different strains, I think they could be very successful! Me personally, I'd absolutely LOVE to see 3+ various banana strains in the grocery store to choose from!!! Hell...we get like 10+ kinds of apples, 5-10 types of lettuce and 3+ types of pears....why not various bananas!? The monoculture thing kinda pisses me off to be honest! It's not a good strategy long-term (even corn, though monoculture per field is NOT by ANY means produced monoculturally). It's just putting all your eggs in one basket and praying for the best...and that just doesn't work. I mean, we've already seen massive issues with Gros Michel! Haven't we learned anything from past history?

Maybe banana marketing can start marketing to DIFFERENT tastes for once! I absolutely HATE Delicious apples...won't really eat em....but I really enjoy Fuji and Honey Crisp apples. Maybe there are people that HATE cavendish varieties, but would love to purchase something like manzano, red, orinoco, ice cream, goldfinger, etc varieties in their area. Why should we insult this market by not allowing them the opportunity to enjoy such fruit? I believe the smartest decision would be to do tests of the market, figure out what people want and in what amounts, then plant your fields accordingly!

Monoculuture is SOOOOOOOO last decade....let's move on, please.
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Ideally people should have the education to eat seasonally. My parents and grandparents knew what varieties of different vegetables for example were best eaten fresh vs those to be preserved , canned etc.
Sure a lot of us know that a Brandywine tomato is the best fresh eating(my opinion) and you should make sauce out of san marzano. Same applies to many traditional vegetable staples and don't even get me started on greens which are all good and have 3 seasons(you can harvest for four seasons in a cold frame or with a root cellar).
The thing is all this is being lost due to mass media/ marketing and the general dumbing down of all. Check the wiki for a list of banana varieties. I've only eaten maybe 5 in my whole life, the GM in the 60's, probably a couple of cavendish varieties, the finger bananas sold at latin markets and one labeled organic from Ecuador that ripened an off green color(this has been the best so far since the demise of the Gros Michel).
Unfortunately big business will ultimately control all of this for the masses. Personally , I'm heading out after this to actually TALK to the friends I've met at the farmers market for this weeks vegetables and cheese. Yesterday I bought 6 months worth of organically raised Angus sent from a farmer friend from Pennsylvania. There's 4 types of tomatoes in the garden.
Unless small scale banana growers can get there different bananas out to the public and find them accepted and desireable, you'll only see gran nain etc on the shelves for the rest of your life. But things CAN change, Burpee started selling Brandywines during the 90's when the heirloom tomato craze began. How do you do this with bananas, educate the public and let people know what they're missing. one at a time if that's what it takes. Eventually someone will give them some media attention. If Burpee can go back to their roots with tomatoes Why not Chiquita , Dole, or more likely Bonita with bananas?
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Old 07-26-2009, 09:53 AM   #27 (permalink)
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Default Re: Cavendish replacement efforts

If it means anything to you I occasionally find Orinoco bananas at Rouses and two kinds of whatever, Fingers, at Winn Dixie. What I've failed to do is check for where the Orincos are from because they grow and fruit just fine in New Orleans. The next time I see them I will look.

Burros are at Whole Foods. From what I could tell they were Orinoco. From what I found in my banana plant book, that is correct. It threw me for a loop.

In fact, they grow too well - I couldn't give the damn things away. And what's surprised me at first (and I guess still) is how much better they are than the Chiquita/Dole bananas - whatever ones they are.

Working at some house one day in New Orleans a few years ago (10, 12 years ago) we had to prune some Orinocos (I think - either those or Sabas, I didn't really know a whole lot about bananas back then as far as what kinds there were) and the fruit must've weighed at least 80 pounds. My buddy cut the fruit off and dropped it and it damn near dropped me to the ground.

I'm going to start taking note of the little tags and post a thread of what I find coming from where.
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