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Banana Seed Germination Forum As one of the toughest seeds in the plant kingdom to figure out the keys to germination success with, this is a forum with banana seed germination tips. Please entitle posts like "Musa balbisiana," or "Musa cheesmani," etc. People would then post a reply under that heading, sharing their germination successes (and failures), what materials and methods they used, germination percentage, etc.


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Old 01-05-2009, 03:14 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Default Re: Trying again with Ensete perrieri (from RPS)

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Etephon is taken up by the plant, and converted into ethylene by it, so I think using very high concentrations might be dangerous. I have no idea though it you can dillute it by dissolving it.
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I thought I would share a photo of one of my Ensete perrieri plants. I took this photo this afternoon.

I ordered 100 seeds from RPS and received them in June of 2007. I sowed them in a plastic container with local soil and about 30 plants germinated after about 3 months. They were transplanted into one gallon bags and I put them out in my shadehouse. This past May (2008) when the rainy season started, I planted a bunch of them in the ground. Some were planted in full sun on a hillside where the water would drain away from them. Those plants are much smaller and have much shorter petioles. I wasn't sure how well these Ensete's would do here in Costa Rica. Our rainy season lasts from May through November and we get between 150-200 inches of rain per year. This is followed by our dry season (or Summer) which runs from December through April. All of the plants grew well for me during the rainy season much to my surprise.

This is my largest plant. It was planted next to the new addition of our rental house and has grown bigger than I expected. It gets part sun here but is shaded for at least half of the day. It is now shading out all of my other plants and palms that are planted around it. The base on this thing is huge! I will get some better photos soon. I love this plant!

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Absolutely immaculate!!! I am so impressed with your beautiful Ensete perrieri. We have tried to get the seeds to germinate in so many ways. I hope that you get it to flower and will have some fresh seeds available. This photo should be in the Wiki. Would you mind doing that? I would also nominate it for the Bananas Quarterly magazine, if the resolution is ok with the editors. Magnificent, I love this banana!
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Beautiful plant Jeff, Thanks for sharing the pic!
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Wow, thanks for the picture! Not many pictures on the net to see what they look like, so I appreciate you posting that. Really a beautiful and different Ensete. I wasn't expecting it to be so squaty like E. superbum! Is that wax on the pseudostem, I assume? I've given up on my seeds ever sprouting now, although I broke a few open a couple of months back and they still looked good. It's been way over a year on most batches, and just no success at all. Seeing that picture, I am now inclined to buy yet another 100 more, whenever Toby gets some fresh seed in again. Thanks much!

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Old 01-12-2009, 07:23 PM   #46 (permalink)
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Wow, thanks for the picture! Not many pictures on the net to see what they look like, so I appreciate you posting that. Really a beautiful and different Ensete. I wasn't expecting it to be so squaty like E. superbum! Is that wax on the pseudostem, I assume? I've given up on my seeds ever sprouting now, although I broke a few open a couple of months back and they still looked good. It's been way over a year on most batches, and just no success at all. Seeing that picture, I am now inclined to buy yet another 100 more, whenever Toby gets some fresh seed in again. Thanks much!

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I know exactly what you mean Frank. Right after seeing this photo, I went right to my old seeds and checked them, re-sowed them to be sure. And I still have around 50 of them at the lab. So, guess what I plan to do......

There is one thing though...I thought that the mid-ribs were more yellow-green, not red at all. Could this perhaps be due to its youth?
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Old 01-12-2009, 09:06 PM   #47 (permalink)
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Hi Scot, thanks for the nice comments. I'm not sure what the Wiki is, so I don't know how to post it there. The petioles started out red when they were small, then turned to a yellow/pale orange color as it got bigger.

Frank, The base normally has a blue/green look to it due to all the white powder (wax?) on the base. This is not the best picture of this plant. It's the dry season now and a sprinkler was running all day and the water was hitting the Ensete and flattening down the leaves. Because the base was wet, it didn't have that blue-ish hue to it. I will take some better photos later. In the meantime, I have a few more photos of E. perrieri in different stages of growth, I'll round them up and post them also.

Even though some of my seeds germinated relatively fast, a few more germinated over a year after I received the seeds, so I wouldn't give up hope on older seeds!
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Thanks Jeff. Give up? Never, lol! I will take these seeds to my grave if I have to. Then God and I are gonna have a little "sit-down" about why these and ingens wouldn't germinate. I still have about 50 in soil, soil-less mix, peat, vermiculite, perlite, cocopeat, embryo rescue, and whatever else I can find. I have about 50 seeds left that I will start soaking this week. Just looked at a tray of them that were sown in June, about a week before I moved to Vegas. Checked on them today and made sure everything was as it should be.
I hope to post photos of these and ingens by the end of this year. Wish me luck!
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Good luck Scot!

I'm glad to find some other people interested in this plant.
Here is a photo taken of the above plant in March 2008 before I planted it.


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I saw some Ensete Perrieri seed on eBay over the weekend, but I noticed it said something like "Fresh for 2007" so I wrote to ask if it was a 2 year old ad or a typo. Got the following in reply:

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Hmm, that's a shame, but on the other hand, it's a really honets sellsman!
Maybe those 1000 seeds would still be valuable for TC embryo rescue?
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Hmm, that's a shame, but on the other hand, it's a really honets sellsman!
Maybe those 1000 seeds would still be valuable for TC embryo rescue?
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I had 150 of them. None have sprouted yet, nor has embryo rescue produced anything. Still have some in soil and other media, plus a bunch of them in e.r. at the moment.
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