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jellyfish_sky 04-19-2008 09:39 PM

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Hm... this is weird though.. I never heard of smoked vermiculite that can be sprinkled on top... I don't think just sprinkling the vermiculite will do. I use Smoke primer, which produces a solution where you soak seeds... I would tend to think that more smoke goes into the seed. Anybody tried that? On any kinds of seeds?

Chironex 04-20-2008 09:38 AM

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I like the thought of the smoke primer that u use to soak the seeds. Where do you find it and what is the name of the product? Perhaps you could post a link to it....

I am all for something that improves germination and reduces the waiting time.

Chironex 04-20-2008 10:04 AM

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I did a little Googling about this and found this link that appears to be what all the other links are selling:

Accessories for Growing Proteas

Some of the links specifically mentioned for Musa germination. I am thinking of trying it to see if there is a marked difference. Will post my results if I do.

Chironex 06-01-2008 09:51 AM

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Just a follow-up note regarding the smoke treatment. I found this on seedman.com and wanted everyone to see it and comment:
Jim Johnson, Seedman is now the North America Distributor for the CAPE "Instant Smoke Plus" Seed Primer that we use in our own greenhouses. We find we receive significantly better germination results when we use this primer on Musa, palms, tropical, wildflower and other types of seeds. (underlining added) find it here: Cape Seed Germination Primer
I am also experimenting with GA3 - did a 5 day soak in 250 ppm GA3 solution on Balbisiana and Darjeeling. Planted them 2 days ago and will let you know how they fare. I did not nick the seeds, but may try this too in my next batch to see if it makes any difference.

mrbungalow 06-11-2008 03:55 AM

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I have tried smoke-disks, GA3, and various raindances without much luck.

marksbananas 07-18-2008 02:22 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tropicallvr (Post 29703)
1. Get a soil that is bacteria free(cook in oven to sterilize) Or buy seed starting mix. Coco peat & perlite mixed togher is a good medium for sprouting. Get zip lock baggies to place the seeds in, the bigger the bag the better, I have cooked seeds in too small of a bag. Half gallon or gallon size I think is best.
2. Get a heat mat with an appliance timer(bought seperatly), and set up in a cooler room(60F) in your house. Put some sort of tray(seedling flat) on heat mat, so baggies aren't directly on the mat.
3.Soak seeds for about 24-48(or more) hours changing the water daily. Some seeds have alot of banana pulp and might need to be scrubbed a few times as they soak. After they are done soaking, give them a scrub and rinse with either diluted hydrogen peroxide, or a 10% bleach solution. Some bleach clings to seeds and makes them feel slimey, and if this is the case give them a extra dish soap wash to get the bleach off.
4. Hydrate your soil medium, just to the point of moist, but not dripping moist. I ussaly run a drip into the baggy as I stir it as the water drips in. Not too wet not too dry. Then sprinkle the seeds on the surface, and sprinkle a little soil on them, just so they are barley covered.
5. Set you timer for being on from anywhere from 5 hours on to 12 hours on. It's up to you I've had results with short and long, but now I do around 7-8 hours on.
6. Check regularly by hand or with an outdoor thermometer the soil to make sure it isn't getting too hot, and raise your tray off the heat mat if it is. I have lost alot of seeds from frying them. If your soil is drying out then it's probably too hot.
6. No need for a light to germinate them, they will do it in pitch black, but you'll need to check them almost every day, because if you miss a seedling that has sprouted and they stretch too much for light then they use all their reserves, and don't have enough energy to produce the first leaf, then they bend over and die. Be careful not to expose them to full sunshine too quickly either if they have been in a dark place.
Some species are fine to dig up out of the baggies and seperate from the soil before it has it's first leaf, and some are really touchy and you must leave them in the baggy till they have a leaf.
when they are ready just put new potted seedling in a warm well lit place(morning sun), or artificial light, and let it go to town, fetilizing lightly after 3 or so leaf leafs have been put out.
LMK if I missed anything that your wondering about. I HOPE YOU GET SOME SPROUTS!

Excellent guide i have a load of seeds arriving today and i was wondering what mix of coco peat and perlite you use, thanks mark

Gold3nku5h 07-21-2008 10:49 PM

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Is there some reason that banana seeds should need smoke stratification? I am new to this forum because i've been looking for stuff on growing chinese dwarf banana from seed. It didn't work the first time i bought them, so im having to get serious about this batch, and i also fell in love with the looks of it, i may look for other cool bananas and good to eat ones too.

Tropicallvr 07-22-2008 11:10 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by marksbananas (Post 44993)
Excellent guide i have a load of seeds arriving today and i was wondering what mix of coco peat and perlite you use, thanks mark

Thanks Mark, somtimes I use straight coco peat, but mostly I like to mix in about 1/4 to 1/3 parts perlite.

Gold3nku5h- If you are talking about Musellea lasiocarpa, then you'll need to place them in a fridge for a few weeks before hand. They seem to be one of the only banana seeds that need cold straitification.

island cassie 07-31-2008 09:10 PM

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I fell in love with the ensete superbum I saw growing here recently, and now I know the reason why there were no pups - I want to grow my own from seed. Bearing in mind that I cannot get anything special and can only sterilize the compost and supply warmth (lots of it), are there any tips anybody can give me before I start? I haven't ordered seeds yet.

Cassie

Gold3nku5h 08-01-2008 03:51 PM

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Cassie :waving: - what was the reason why you couldn't get pups to produce? :2719: Is there a chance that raising a plant from seed that it may not produce pups for some reason? :2182: Or did i miss interperet your message? :dancinpup:

Egluzhe 01-22-2009 06:25 PM

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Hello,
first I'm sorry for my english. I am glad to join this forum. I want to grow musa sikkimensis Darjeeling Banana in container from the seed. I try germinate musa acuminata, but then I collect a litlle information about Banana seeds germination and it does not work. Now I read this forum and see the video (Thanks to Erlend), but I am still not sure, that it's works to me... If I'll do all like in the video, can I hope successful germination? Maybe anyone try banana seeds in wet bog moss germination?
Respect! ;)

Egle

Chironex 01-22-2009 07:02 PM

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Welcome Egle, I believe that you will find good results using Erlands method. I have some banana seeds in wet peat moss now. It may be too soon to say if it works or not, but I am hopeful for success.
It is a good idea. Good Luck!

Egluzhe 01-23-2009 05:49 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chironex (Post 62288)
Welcome Egle, I believe that you will find good results using Erlands method. I have some banana seeds in wet peat moss now. It may be too soon to say if it works or not, but I am hopeful for success.
It is a good idea. Good Luck!

Thank yuo! I hope too, that this method with wet peat moss will be a success. I''ll be waiting for your results. Please tell me, how do you germinate banana seeds in wet peat moss: container, temperatur, etc?

Tog Tan 01-25-2009 02:55 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by island cassie (Post 47011)
I fell in love with the ensete superbum I saw growing here recently, and now I know the reason why there were no pups - I want to grow my own from seed. Bearing in mind that I cannot get anything special and can only sterilize the compost and supply warmth (lots of it), are there any tips anybody can give me before I start? I haven't ordered seeds yet.

Cassie

Cassie, saw your post while reading this thread. Btw Ensete's don't pup and that's what made me like them - clean growth habit. This is the plant which made me fall in love in 'naners. I didn't like them in the past even though M'sia is full of them everywhere. I kinda didn't like the messy unkempt clumping of the Musa till now.

E superbum are not hard to germinate. The plant in the pix was from a batch of old sds I bought off the net. I had 3 out of 10 come up in approx 18 days. This plant was germinated on New Year's day, 1.01.08. Pix taken 24.01.09. This chap is 1 yr old now. It got too big for its pot so I just had it transferred to my nursery last week. I had to cut off most of its leaves otherwise, it looks real good. With heavy watering and feeding, it gave me 1 new leaf every day! So far this is still my favorite among all the 'naners I have grown. The leaf arrangement lives up to its common name of Bird's Nest Banana. :ha:


Michael_Andrew 01-29-2009 04:03 PM

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Wow nice. Where can I get one them them. The cigar not the superbum!

Tog Tan 01-29-2009 05:18 PM

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Pheww... and I thought you were after my 'bum....:ha::ha::ha:

Michael_Andrew 01-29-2009 06:14 PM

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I'm sure your bum is super but I'll just stick with an Oliva Series G a few times a year.

island cassie 02-07-2009 02:02 PM

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Sorry for the delay in replying, Tog. The ensetes I found growing near here were on someone else's property, but I had been watching them for pups ready to introduce myself, and beg or buy one. But in the meantime I found out that they don't pup and that I had been wasting my time! lol! I also like their clean non-pupping lines but initially I thought they had been trimmed. So when they have fruited, the plant is cut down and the area is replanted with seedlings - am I right? I had been thinking of them for landscape planting to enhance the front of the house, but if I have to replace them regularly I might think again - although I do like them! So many gorgeous plants - so little space!

Gold3nku5h - I haven't tried any from seed yet - just thinking about it.

Tog Tan 02-07-2009 02:36 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by island cassie (Post 63409)
Sorry for the delay in replying, Tog. The ensetes I found growing near here were on someone else's property, but I had been watching them for pups ready to introduce myself, and beg or buy one. But in the meantime I found out that they don't pup and that I had been wasting my time! lol! I also like their clean non-pupping lines but initially I thought they had been trimmed. So when they have fruited, the plant is cut down and the area is replanted with seedlings - am I right? I had been thinking of them for landscape planting to enhance the front of the house, but if I have to replace them regularly I might think again - although I do like them! So many gorgeous plants - so little space!

Gold3nku5h - I haven't tried any from seed yet - just thinking about it.

Hey Cassie,

I think the effort to replant them is worth it and I have been told their life span is much longer than Musa's.

This is the first time I am into Ensete's and I really love them. I have been germinating the E glaucum, E livingstonianum and E ventricosum from sds which I buy basically from rarepalmseeds. So far I have about 100+ sdlgs in total of which I am using for the landscaping of my nursery.

Call me crazy, but I really like them. Also, over here in the tropical clime, they do much better than the Musa's. The E superbum have been without fail giving me 1 new leaf every day! I have yet to encounter a 'naner that does that.

I just got in 1,000sds of the Thai Ensete sp Kluay Pa and am expecting 500sds of the E perriei.

Truly, it's worth the replanting, go for it! :02:

Bananaman88 02-11-2009 07:25 AM

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A new leaf each day? That's incredible!


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