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hybridpower 03-23-2014 05:39 PM

Large banana plants no roots - any advise?
 
My neighbor gave me several large banana plants, one of which is nearly 10 feet tall (taller than a 12 ft wall with leaves). He removed them from his yard not overly carefully, and as a result got about half the corms, and very little if any roots.

Any suggestions? Do you think these will survive and grow roots?

cincinnana 03-23-2014 05:57 PM

Re: Large banana plants no roots - any advise?
 
Rest easy ......all is good.
First response... says they will sort themselves out'

The Pros will fill in the gaps.:)

hybridpower 03-23-2014 06:08 PM

Re: Large banana plants no roots - any advise?
 
Cool, thank you. Should I take the leaves off? What about watering with no roots?

cincinnana 03-23-2014 07:01 PM

Re: Large banana plants no roots - any advise?
 
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Originally Posted by hybridpower (Post 241499)
Cool, thank you. Should I take the leaves off? What about watering with no roots?

Just my opinion.....no leaves = no stress at transplant.
At this point all that is important is what is going under the soil.
When you replant in your zone, your plant will sort it self out in 60 days or more.
Your size plants will have no problem finding a new home in your yard.
No roots ....no problem... You got bananas.

hybridpower 03-23-2014 08:27 PM

Re: Large banana plants no roots - any advise?
 
Great, I'll trim the leaves off. Thanks for your help.

Olafhenny 03-24-2014 07:25 PM

Re: Large banana plants no roots - any advise?
 
Stick it into the ground or a pot. The plant will know, what to do. If it cannot
support the leaves, it will shed them or as many as it needs to shed.. You still
have a corm and that is the essence of a banana.


Good luck,
Olaf






Abnshrek 03-24-2014 07:31 PM

Re: Large banana plants no roots - any advise?
 
They will grow roots in time.. I'm sure your into spring there so in the Ground or pots.. :^)

Planting Tech

hybridpower 03-24-2014 07:47 PM

Re: Large banana plants no roots - any advise?
 
Yes, they are in the ground. It's been mid 80's in phx, so I'm hoping they root before they rot.

Abnshrek 03-24-2014 07:49 PM

Re: Large banana plants no roots - any advise?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hybridpower (Post 241554)
Yes, they are in the ground. It's been mid 80's in phx, so I'm hoping they root before they rot.

Well if you augmented the soil I water once, and let them acclimate for 2 weeks before I do anything else (water / fert again).. :^)

hybridpower 03-24-2014 08:35 PM

Re: Large banana plants no roots - any advise?
 
I wish I would have gotten the corm in better condition, he basically dug down and broke them off leaving the rooted half of the corm in the ground. I have a good chunk of corm on each, they are just ragged at the separation point.

waggoner41 03-24-2014 10:22 PM

Re: Large banana plants no roots - any advise?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hybridpower (Post 241497)
My neighbor gave me several large banana plants, one of which is nearly 10 feet tall (taller than a 12 ft wall with leaves). He removed them from his yard not overly carefully, and as a result got about half the corms, and very little if any roots.

Any suggestions? Do you think these will survive and grow roots?

We move a lot of banana and platano plants around here in trying to tidy up an overgrown area of our property.

We normally cut the plant down to about 18" or 1/2 meter in height.
I have had corms that have been cut into quarters with growth eyes in each piece that mature into healthy plants.

Olafhenny 03-24-2014 10:48 PM

Re: Large banana plants no roots - any advise?
 
If you have only half the corm and it is bigger than a walnut, you still
have a viable plant, but it changes the way I would treat it.

In this case I would indeed chop off all the leaves, but the emerging one and
the last one before that.

Sorry, I have to disagree with Migael. Here is that unjustified fear of root rot
again. (See also: http://www.bananas.org/f10/what-root-rot-19716.html )

If the plant does not have any roots, no roots can rot.

Once the roots start growing again, they are little and need all the help they
can get. If the plant is in the ground, regular watering of the area should be
maintained. If in a pot, which has bottom drainage, water again, as soon as
the surface becomes "dryish".

Olaf






hybridpower 03-24-2014 11:16 PM

Re: Large banana plants no roots - any advise?
 
Cool, I think I have a good chunk on the bottom of each stem. I did remove the leaves, they were wilting badly anyway, and I hoped removing them would keep water in the plant.

Abnshrek 03-24-2014 11:28 PM

Re: Large banana plants no roots - any advise?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hybridpower (Post 241563)
Cool, I think I have a good chunk on the bottom of each stem. I did remove the leaves, they were wilting badly anyway, and I hoped removing them would keep water in the plant.

Leaves won't grow till it has roots so mise well knock them off.. except the newest one..

PR-Giants 03-25-2014 06:57 AM

Re: Large banana plants no roots - any advise?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cincinnana (Post 241503)
Just my opinion.....no leaves = no stress at transplant.

Sound advice and a marker also helps.

PR-Giants 03-25-2014 07:05 AM

Re: Large banana plants no roots - any advise?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hybridpower (Post 241563)
I did remove the leaves, they were wilting badly anyway, and I hoped removing them would keep water in the plant.

Removing them before they wilt is better and removing them before separation is even better.

hybridpower 03-25-2014 09:04 AM

Re: Large banana plants no roots - any advise?
 
Thank for everyone's help, if these don't make it, he said I can dig out a few "my way" next time.

hybridpower 03-25-2014 09:05 AM

Re: Large banana plants no roots - any advise?
 
Unfortunately that will mean next year, as it soon gets to hot to plant anything out here in summer.

waggoner41 03-25-2014 01:33 PM

Re: Large banana plants no roots - any advise?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hybridpower (Post 241577)
Unfortunately that will mean next year, as it soon gets to hot to plant anything out here in summer.

I am assuming, then, that you live in the desert.

If you can find a shady place or provide shade for the corms they can be planted at any time of year.

Pay attention that you have provided good soil and keep them well watered.

I test the moisture content of the soil about an inch deep. If the soil holds together by squeezing a handful it is moist enough. If the soil does not hold together you need to water.

hybridpower 03-29-2014 04:26 PM

Re: Large banana plants no roots - any advise?
 
Thank you. It's been just over a week, what's the thought on when I might see progress? The stems remain pretty solid, with the most external softening, but nothing else seems to have changed otherwise. I'm in the desert, and the soil in these area has all been changed out, and blended with manure. For most of my plants I do two things, on two watering zones. I have drips above ground, and soaker line on another zone at about double the planting depth of the plants, this provides ground moisture for the roots (once they develop) in the summer, as surface water lasts minutes at 100 plus degrees, and single digit humidity.

waggoner41 03-29-2014 06:00 PM

Re: Large banana plants no roots - any advise?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hybridpower (Post 241839)
Thank you. It's been just over a week, what's the thought on when I might see progress? The stems remain pretty solid, with the most external softening, but nothing else seems to have changed otherwise. I'm in the desert, and the soil in these area has all been changed out, and blended with manure. For most of my plants I do two things, on two watering zones. I have drips above ground, and soaker line on another zone at about double the planting depth of the plants, this provides ground moisture for the roots (once they develop) in the summer, as surface water lasts minutes at 100 plus degrees, and single digit humidity.

I have the opposite problem. I live in Costa Rica on a built up hillside and the buildup was done with subsoil clay. No nutrient, no nada.
We have to dig out 1m x 1m x 30 cm holes and fill them with black organic soil to start.
We get 100" to 120" of rain per year.

It's a lot of work but well worth it.

Olafhenny 03-29-2014 07:01 PM

Re: Large banana plants no roots - any advise?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hybridpower (Post 241839)
Thank you. It's been just over a week, what's the thought on when I might see progress? The stems remain pretty solid, with the most external softening, but nothing else seems to have changed otherwise. I'm in the desert, and the soil in these area has all been changed out, and blended with manure. For most of my plants I do two things, on two watering zones. I have drips above ground, and soaker line on another zone at about double the planting depth of the plants, this provides ground moisture for the roots (once they develop) in the summer, as surface water lasts minutes at 100 plus degrees, and single digit humidity.

It will take a while and a half. Just transplanting can, if the plant's
environment is changed drastically, take up to two months for new growth or
it can just continue without blinking. And those plants usually have still all
their roots. In your case the corm will have to send out new roots, before
they can support new growth. When that will happen is anybody's guess, but
happen it will.

Olaf





hybridpower 04-27-2014 04:17 PM

Re: Large banana plants no roots - any advise?
 
Just wanted to follow back up with this post, 1 of 3 has produced a new leaf! I've seen no movement on the other two yet.

hybridpower 06-14-2014 09:16 AM

Re: Large banana plants no roots - any advise?
 
Quick update, I now have two large leaves on the medium one, which did not lose any of its previous height. The tallest one, I though was dead, and started cutting it back looking for life (it was rotting and had to be cut and peeled to remove the rot). About a foot from the ground, and a quarter of the original diameter, I found live plant, it has now produced a leaf at that point. The smallest one never recovered, I cut back past ground level looking for life, but the core was black. The daytime temp here is now 105+ daily, and everything but true desert plants really slow down.

hybridpower 09-21-2014 01:05 AM

Re: Large banana plants no roots - any advise?
 
Just an update, the one that had to be cut back has done well this summer, producing about ten leaves, but not much height, maybe 2'. The tallest one only grew 5 leaves, and seems to have had to work harder, but is green and actively growing, and is about 4' tall.

Neither has produced any pups, and I wish they would! Any suggestions?

crazy banana 09-21-2014 11:26 AM

Re: Large banana plants no roots - any advise?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hybridpower (Post 252105)
Just an update, the one that had to be cut back has done well this summer, producing about ten leaves, but not much height, maybe 2'. The tallest one only grew 5 leaves, and seems to have had to work harder, but is green and actively growing, and is about 4' tall.

Neither has produced any pups, and I wish they would! Any suggestions?

Sounds that you are doing everything right. Keep up the good work and you will see pups. So far all the energy went into root and corm development. Advice = patience. :)

hybridpower 09-21-2014 12:45 PM

Re: Large banana plants no roots - any advise?
 
Lol, patience, the product they don't sell in stores, and probably the one I'm shortest on. Thank you, I'll post a before and after pic soon too.

Edit - crazy banana, hope my response didn't sound rude, it was intended in jest, and aimed at my own lack of patience - the Thank you was sincere for your response.

hybridpower 11-12-2014 12:58 AM

Re: Large banana plants no roots - any advise?
 
Found my first pup this morning!

hybridpower 10-13-2015 03:04 PM

Re: Large banana plants no roots - any advise?
 
Just closing the loop on this, the second one, that had the least amount of corn, just produced its first pup last month. So about 10 months from no roots and approximately an inch of corn, to pup. Both of them are now very large, and the bigger one that had to be cut back, (though it had more corn) has now resigned all of its full height (not to mention now being as big around as my leg) the first pup it produced is now bigger than the mother.

hybridpower 10-30-2015 01:51 PM

Re: Large banana plants no roots - any advise?
 
So last post on this topic, I must have reached a critical mass of some type with these two plants, as I've got pups everywhere from both.

hybridpower 10-07-2017 05:43 PM

Re: Large banana plants no roots - any advise?
 
From no roots to Blooming!

obdiah 10-07-2017 06:48 PM

Re: Large banana plants no roots - any advise?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hybridpower (Post 310109)
From no roots to Blooming!

awsome! great job

Kanana 12-26-2017 09:56 PM

Re: Large banana plants no roots - any advise?
 
hybrid power, so it was 3 years and 7 months to go from a small corm to flower?

I guess the one thing you learned from the inception of this thread way back in March 2014 to now is what CrazyBanana suggested is patience. What is your advice for developing patience when you want results like yesterday? lol

hybridpower 12-27-2017 09:10 AM

Re: Large banana plants no roots - any advise?
 
Have children, no one is better at teaching you patience then them!

hybridpower 12-27-2017 09:38 AM

Re: Large banana plants no roots - any advise?
 
No, all jokes aside, bananas are just one hobby, I keep very busy, and the time passed faster than expected. I had two mats bloom this summer.

Kanana 12-29-2017 01:09 PM

Re: Large banana plants no roots - any advise?
 
hybrid power thanks for the update, and yes I guess kids would be one of the best ways to learn about patience. I don't have any so I guess that is why I get impatient easily.


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