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Old 09-27-2010, 04:47 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Try here Kultana Orchids You'll have to import it, though, and that can be a pain. Beautiful choice, though. Never seen oune quite like that - almost like a Papilionanthe (Vanda type).
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Try here Kultana Orchids You'll have to import it, though, and that can be a pain. Beautiful choice, though. Never seen oune quite like that - almost like a Papilionanthe (Vanda type).
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I just want an orchid.
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Jezebel: I just did a Google search to try to help you find what you were looking for. I didn't read the details of the page, just that it had the plant you wanted. If you are looking for something, Google is a great help.
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Dear Kevin, thanks .
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Den. Anucha Flare is not the easiest dendrobium to grow. Also, even though it is a mericlone,
it has been cloned so much that it affected the chromosomes, and most come out looking
peloric. That one in the photo (my photo, by the way), is of the less-peloric appearing ones.
That partucular bloom was 4 1/4" wide, and looked more like a cattleya than a dendrobium.
The substance was heavy, almost leathery. Quite unusual for a dendrobium. If you find one,
it may not be anything like mine due to the messed up chromosomes. They can still sell it by
the same name, because it is the same clone, but it may not be like what you expected.
At the orchid show where it was being sold, there were 3 different types with the same
clonal name. I bought this without seeing the blooms, and was hoping it was the non-peloric
type - I got lucky, it was non-peloric.

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This is a very cool hybrid. You need to clarify something for me, though. You said that it is a mericlone. You can't mericlone a hybrid, only a specific clone. If you are saying there are some Den. Anucha Flare's that are peloric, that is a mutation in the genes, but it is from seed, not a mericlone. If you take that peloric clone and mericlone it, then all will be peloric. I know what you mean about genes getting messed up with excessive mericloning, but I think some term are missing here. Den. Anucha Flare is Suriyon Stripe x Ekapol. Each seed-grown plant of this cross will be different. Something in the breeding gives it the 'splash petal' effect, and in some cases, it can be peloric. Each individual can have it's own clonal name.
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Kevin, where the heck did you get the idea that you can't mericlone hybrids?!? Someone has grossly misinformed you about that. You can mericlone hybrids or species. Any orchid plant that you feel is attractive enough to take the time and trouble to preserve it, can be mericloned (except slipper orchids - they are all seed grown AND more expensive because of this). The original Den. Anucha Flare was seed grown, but unless you have a piece of the original plant (that piece would be called a division) all the rest were the result of the mericloning process because from the original cross, there were no others worth keeping around so those were never cloned. The best one was mericloned, and the others have long since disappeared. But, sometimes when you have cloned a clone of a clone of a clone of a clone, etc. the genes get screwed up. Each individual from a mericlone has the same name. Again, I don't know where you are getting your info. If it is a mericlone, it would never be given a different name. That would be like taking credit from someone else's work.

If you cross two different plants (species or hybrids) for the first time, that cross is given a grex name. Within that grex, or that cross, you can have different varietal names. That is not the same as mericloning - it sounds like you have the two confused. For example: Blc. Fortune X Cattleya Horace resulted in Blc. Goldenzelle. Blc. Goldenzelle is the grex name, or the name of the cross made by Blc Fortune and Cattleya Horace. Any time those two hybrids are crossed, it will never be given a new grex name, it will merely be a re-make of Blc. Goldenzelle. That name will always be used for that cross from this time on. However, within the grex, you can have many different varietal names. Here are some: Blc. Goldenzelle 'Lemon Chiffon' (probably the best known of the grex), Blc. Goldenzelle 'Taida', Blc. Goldenzelle 'Passion', Blc. Goldenzelle 'High Noon', Blc. Goldenzelle 'Orange Pumpkin', Blc. Goldenzelle 'Full House', Blc. Goldenzelle 'Apricot Charm', Blc. Goldenzelle 'Saddle Peak', etc. Now if I took, say Blc. Goldenzelle 'Orange Pumpkin' (a hybrid by the way), and mericloned it; all the resultant plants MUST be given the name Blc. Goldenzelle 'Orange Pumpkin', and unless the cloning process screwed up a gene, there will not be much variation in appearance. Den. Anucha Flare is a rare exception. I have personally seen 3 of the mericlones blooming all at the same time, and all were different. If I didn't know they were clones, I wouldn't have believed it. There is even wider variation than the ones I saw.

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I am very aware of the naming processes of orchids. I think the problem here, is that Den. Anucha Flare, if you are correct in that there is only ONE existing plant of that grex, that it does not have a clonal name, which it should, if it is being cloned. What I meant by you not being able to clone a hybrid, is that you can't clone Den. Anucha Flare, but you can clone Den. Anucha Flare 'No. 1' for example. If there is only one plant of this grex around, it should have a clonal name. If someone were to remake the cross, those seedlings could all be given their own clonal names. Why does this one lone individual plant of this cross not have a clonal name? What I said, was: 'You can't mericlone a hybrid, only a specific clone.' This is entirely true. Perhaps I should have said grex instead of hybrid, but I thought that was clear enough.

Who made this cross? Perhaps they should try making it again.
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Keven, those are varietal names not clonal names. You can't have a 'clonal' name if it is not a clone. A seedling resulting from a cross (or a remake of a cross) is not a clone, and has no clonal name; they can have varietal names (see my Blc. Goldenzelle comments - those are different varietal names assigned to the resultant seedlings. You may make a clone of one of those varieties - as what happened in 'Lemon Chiffon', but that name is the varietal name that was cloned. If you refer to it as a mericlone, it is still a clone of that particular variety. You can clone a plant that has never been assigned a varietal name, but I don't know of too many cases of that.

If you know someone that is using that terminology, referring to a varietal-name as a "clonal name" they are in error unless it is a clone of that original plant (or a clone of that original) that was given that particular varietal name. That would certainly result in confusion.

I don't know who made the original, but a remake would likely not have the attractive dark "flares" that made this worth having. It was a rare occurrence, which is why it was cloned.

What is your experience with orchids, and what types do you have or have grown?
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As from my experiences with growing orchids and talking to others who grow and breed orchids, any seed-grown orchid can, potentially, be given it's own clonal name. The term 'variety' is used in taxonomy to refer to a variety of a species. If we are talking species here, then here are some examples, using the genus Cattleya: Cattleya acklandiae var. coerulea, Cattleya bicolor var. brazilensis, Cattleya intermedia var. aquinii, Cattleya labiata var. semi-alba and Cattleya skinneri var. alba. There are others, but this is just for reference. If you take any individual plant of any of these species or varieties of the species, that plant can be given a clonal name. The word 'clone' can be confusing, as it implies an actual clone, but the word is used to identify an individual plant. If a plant is cloned, then all of those are called mericlones. You can't clone an entire species or a hybrid grex - only an individual plant. For Den. Anucha Flare, the original plant could be given a clonal name, and any division of that plant would have the same clonal name. If you then mericlone that plant, all of the resulting plants would have the same clonal name. Does that make more sense?

In your examples Blc. Goldenzelle 'Lemon Chiffon', 'Lemon Chiffon' is a clonal name for this grex. Whenever an orchid gets an award, it is given a clonal name, but anyone can give their own plants clonal names if they want. It is a way is distinguishing plants a from plant b.

I have been growing and studying orchids for over 15 years now. I grow, or have grown, as many types as I can find. What about you?
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Well, I've been growing them for over 20 years. I started looking for a 'stress relief' hobby when my knees started giving me trouble. I was no longer able to run around the air-strip to burn off the days 'issues' anymore. I'm a retired U.S. Marine (and therefore in need of daily stress-relief), and I was rather worn out from the physical conditioning I used to be able to keep up with. I started growing plants as an alternative, but they were too easy. Next, I started growing orchids because I was told that they were harder. They got too easy eventually. Finally, I settled on primarily species orchids since they tend to be comfortable in a narrow range of conditions, and most have distinct growth/rest periods. It is more challenging since you HAVE to know your plants, or they will not thrive, and eventually die.

As far as what I grow, I have a few phalaenopsis, dendrobiums, encyclias, oncidiums, vandas, papilionanthes (terete vandas), rhynchostylis, neofinetia, aerides, trichoglottis, cattleyas, laelias, epidendrums, grammatophyllums (mini ones), warmth tolerant cymbidiums, and a small number of other species I'm experimenting with: peristeria elata, arundina graminifolia, spathoglottis kimballiana and plicata, maxillaria tenufolia, a couple of vandopsis lissochiloides, and a monster vanilla vine. My easiest to grow are the vandas, but they also take up the most room. I have crossed a few, but gave the pods to others to raise due to my lack of room. I normally don't cross anything, but friends (orchid hybridizers and sellers) have asked for pollen, or to have me make crosses for them because
I have a number of species that seem to grow for me but are a challenge for others.

Of the ones I have, I don't usually have more than 1 or 2 of each since my space is limited. It gives me more time to fuss with the ones I have. If I was a commercial grower/seller with tens of thousands, I'd think of them more like 'product' and less like my 'chids. I prefer species orchids, but I have found a few hybrid vandas, and phalaenopsis that are scented (hybridizing these generally results in scentless progeny), and those I hang on to.

Due to my experience with the hybridizing process, and association with others that create hybrids regularly, I am still surprised with your use of the term 'clonal' name when you are actually referring to the 'varietal' name. I've never heard anyone here use it in that way. (unless actually referring to a mericlone)

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