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Botanical_Bryce · 12-26-2015, 11:24 PM

Cavendish are poor performers here yet amazing growers and multipliers. When I moved here I had a few now about 30. At this rate I should have about 200 by summer. Are they sellable? Maybe someone could start a plantation in south Florida? I am only growing them for the sake of growing them. I want to move in to the ones that fruit in my area and next season will have no need for them. Suggestions appreciated.

Mark Dragt · 12-27-2015, 12:44 PM

If they are not working out for you,give them away. Promote the passion of growing bananas. If you sell them and they don't workout, or die for the next guy or gal, they might want their money back. Put a add on Craigslist,local pickup only, and give them away. Possibly someone will respond to your add that has a more favorable plant for your area, and they will want to trade or give you plants. Just a thought. Good luck!

cincinnana · 12-27-2015, 01:41 PM

Cavendish is usually a good producer in your zone for reliable fruit. It is a shame they are not doing well for you.
For some local proven varieties and some not so common plants do check out craigslist.....average cost per plant is 10-15 US dollars.
Plus as an added bonus a gardener is usually willing to share something else in the garden if you ask.

I have found a few gems on east coast Florida Craigslists including variegates .

Give this thread time and Florida Members will chime on in and maybe they will sell you some extra plants. There are a few members nearby.

.heartland FL farm & garden "banana plants" - craigslist

cincinnana · 12-27-2015, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Botanical_Bryce

Cavendish die to the ground when temps hit in the 20's. I have never seen them fruit here. Everybody chops the stinky mass to the ground. Other varieties the stalks survive and the tips die but they still produce. When a cavendish does fruit here it freezes leaving a big smelly mass.

And so will every plant you plant... whether it be a so called SHORT CYCLE plant which you will see on this forum. A short cycle plant will produce a flower in about 12 months......and another 4 or 5 months for edible fruit.

I have had all these so called Short cycle plants for a few years.......in my zone to test them for the Forums which have been supplied to me from members.

You are fishing!!!!

I do not understand your freeze challenge..... most plants north of you fruit.
And all plants fruit south of you fruit also!!.

The question is what is you doing wrong to make this plant not fruit or flower in your area.

The plant in question fruits like crazy in your area. ..... north south ,east and west

Please post a few photos of your plants .....

chris_zx2 · 12-28-2015, 11:38 AM

I noticed the DC will pup when stressed. Maybe that's why you're getting so many pups? Most people think it is puppies due to good conditions, which I'm sure happens as well, but perhaps yours are the opposite and that's why you're not getting fruit?

Botanical_Bryce · 12-28-2015, 12:36 PM

That sounds valid but I don't think it is the case. S ome I encourage pups for propagation and others i keep single. My issue is not only lack of fruit but side by side do not perform as well as other varieties. When days get short they yellow while others remain green. My neighbors cavendish look far worse than mine. I have 5 kinds and the cavendish i have lost interest. Seems like someone could make a plantation with them. I am going to keep my better performers and going to test 10 other varieties. At that point the cavendish may end up in the compost. I would love them to go to a needy south Florida homesteader. 20 miles east of me cavendish would probably perform and fruit better.

Botanical_Bryce · 12-28-2015, 12:39 PM

People simply do not grow cavendish in my area unprotected. Simple variants in topography can create differences by as much as 15 degrees.

chris_zx2 · 12-28-2015, 12:57 PM

Your right about the variance. I'm sure someone will take them. I would if I was closer! Maybe try posting in the classifieds as free for pickup.

Mark Dragt · 12-28-2015, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Botanical_Bryce

People simply do not grow cavendish in my area unprotected. Simple variants in topography can create differences by as much as 15 degrees.

15 degrees? Wow! I think you will find that if you do get a Veinte Cohol it also will have to be protected. I haven't noticed any cold tolerance with mine. Looks to be the same as my Dwarf Cavendish. Just my 2.

Off topic, what are you using for fertilizer?

Botanical_Bryce · 12-28-2015, 02:22 PM

I have special spots picked out for every variety I get. The vientes will get the warmest point between my mobile and forest canopy. Some will go near my pond. Since I moved to this new place we have had record warm winters so I have yet to see how cold it will get and what parts of the property are warmest. The place I just came from 20 miles away got soooo cold and I only grew my cavendish there. My fertilizers
Lesco palm and tropical slow release with micronutrients 8 10 10

Humic shale

Biochar

Kelp

Compost

Mulch

Mykos

Bone meal

Phosphate dust

Botanical_Bryce · 12-28-2015, 02:28 PM

Last winter I had the best looking banana plants in the neighborhood. I also have a warm porch for potting vientes. I have no desire to so that with cavendish. Orinocos stay green even after light freeze. My salt marsh banana performs similar to the orinoco but gets bigger. My tiny cavendishes fare reasonable but take up no space so need for those to go. I surely will keep at least one cavendish.

Mark Dragt · 12-28-2015, 10:22 PM

Last year I also had the best looking banana plants. Of course I am the only one in the neighborhood that is growing bananas. I fertilized with bunny berries and bunny berry tea. Plants love it.

Botanical_Bryce · 12-28-2015, 10:29 PM

I wish for that stuff. My bunny got sick and died.

Mark Dragt · 12-28-2015, 10:39 PM

My daughter has 6 of them. Lots and lots of bunny berries. Plus the rabbits are good recyclers. Throw in a banana leaf, then scoop up some berries. It seams that you can't overdue the berries. Plants keep asking for more.

Botanical_Bryce · 12-28-2015, 10:43 PM

Rabbitt poo can be planted in. Not hot at all. My compost is loaded with soldier flies and they love chicken poo. Makes a fine tea for plants.

Botanical_Bryce · 12-28-2015, 10:43 PM

Only one chicken.

Mark Dragt · 12-28-2015, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Botanical_Bryce

Only one chicken.

I have 14 of them.

hydroid · 12-29-2015, 01:14 AM

I'm in a similar zone as you here along the Gulf Coast and I 've never had luck with DC. Just too cold for them. My best success has been with Dwarf Namwah and Raja Puri. I also winterize and this helps for fruit

Mark Dragt · 12-29-2015, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by hydroid

I'm in a similar zone as you here along the Gulf Coast and I 've never had luck with DC. Just too cold for them. My best success has been with Dwarf Namwah and Raja Puri. I also winterize and this helps for fruit

Thanks for that post. I have a Namwah that I bought as a Blue Java. Don't know if it's dwarf or not. Raja Puri I just found out about. I may have found a local source for one. Are you getting fruit or just great looking plants?

hydroid · 12-29-2015, 01:01 PM

You probably have a tall Namwah. It takes a bit more to winterize the taller ones. Dwarf Namwah and Raja Puri are short enough I can frame the outside of the plant with plastic fencing and drop grass clippings inside the fencing and wrap with plastic around outside. This makes a good barrier of protection during the hard part of winter. The decaying grass clippings form a heat. This way you have a good start in the spring and the plant is not spending most of the summer to get tall enough to bloom. I also blend my own Fertilizer. I work at it but yes I do get fruit.

12-26-2015, 11:24 PM	#1 (permalink)
Botanical_Bryce Location: Inverness, Florida Zone: 9a Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 881 BananaBucks : 83,340 Feedback: 4 / 100% Said "Thanks" 7 Times Was Thanked 1,459 Times in 636 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times	Wwyd Cavendish are poor performers here yet amazing growers and multipliers. When I moved here I had a few now about 30. At this rate I should have about 200 by summer. Are they sellable? Maybe someone could start a plantation in south Florida? I am only growing them for the sake of growing them. I want to move in to the ones that fruit in my area and next season will have no need for them. Suggestions appreciated.

12-27-2015, 12:44 PM	#2 (permalink)
Mark Dragt Location: Rochester,Wa Find me on the map! Zone: 8 Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 823 BananaBucks : 41,411 Feedback: 2 / 100% Said "Thanks" 3,357 Times Was Thanked 1,718 Times in 635 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 332 Times	Re: Wwyd If they are not working out for you,give them away. Promote the passion of growing bananas. If you sell them and they don't workout, or die for the next guy or gal, they might want their money back. Put a add on Craigslist,local pickup only, and give them away. Possibly someone will respond to your add that has a more favorable plant for your area, and they will want to trade or give you plants. Just a thought. Good luck! __________________ Mark's Banana Forest Paradise

12-27-2015, 01:41 PM	#3 (permalink)
cincinnana container grower Location: Southwest Ohio U.S.A.🇺🇸 Find me on the map! Zone: HZ 6/5 Microclimate - Elevation 750 feet- 228.60 meters Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 8,871 BananaBucks : 906 Feedback: 7 / 100% Said "Thanks" 3,914 Times Was Thanked 11,765 Times in 4,907 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 1,956 Times	Re: Wwyd Cavendish is usually a good producer in your zone for reliable fruit. It is a shame they are not doing well for you. For some local proven varieties and some not so common plants do check out craigslist.....average cost per plant is 10-15 US dollars. Plus as an added bonus a gardener is usually willing to share something else in the garden if you ask. I have found a few gems on east coast Florida Craigslists including variegates . Give this thread time and Florida Members will chime on in and maybe they will sell you some extra plants. There are a few members nearby. .heartland FL farm & garden "banana plants" - craigslist __________________ Cincinnana/Hostafarians Photo Gallery 🌴

12-28-2015, 11:38 AM	#5 (permalink)
chris_zx2 Sub Zero Tropical Keeper Location: Pierrefonds, Quebec Find me on the map! Zone: 5 Name: Chris Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 139 BananaBucks : 17,199 Feedback: 1 / 100% Said "Thanks" 85 Times Was Thanked 142 Times in 82 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 8 Times	Re: Wwyd I noticed the DC will pup when stressed. Maybe that's why you're getting so many pups? Most people think it is puppies due to good conditions, which I'm sure happens as well, but perhaps yours are the opposite and that's why you're not getting fruit? __________________ --Chris So far: Dwarf Cavendish -- Basjoo -- Bunch of Truly Tiny

12-28-2015, 12:36 PM	#6 (permalink)
Botanical_Bryce Location: Inverness, Florida Zone: 9a Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 881 BananaBucks : 83,340 Feedback: 4 / 100% Said "Thanks" 7 Times Was Thanked 1,459 Times in 636 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times	Re: Wwyd That sounds valid but I don't think it is the case. S ome I encourage pups for propagation and others i keep single. My issue is not only lack of fruit but side by side do not perform as well as other varieties. When days get short they yellow while others remain green. My neighbors cavendish look far worse than mine. I have 5 kinds and the cavendish i have lost interest. Seems like someone could make a plantation with them. I am going to keep my better performers and going to test 10 other varieties. At that point the cavendish may end up in the compost. I would love them to go to a needy south Florida homesteader. 20 miles east of me cavendish would probably perform and fruit better.

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12-28-2015, 12:39 PM	#7 (permalink)
Botanical_Bryce Location: Inverness, Florida Zone: 9a Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 881 BananaBucks : 83,340 Feedback: 4 / 100% Said "Thanks" 7 Times Was Thanked 1,459 Times in 636 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times	Re: Wwyd People simply do not grow cavendish in my area unprotected. Simple variants in topography can create differences by as much as 15 degrees.

12-28-2015, 12:57 PM	#8 (permalink)
chris_zx2 Sub Zero Tropical Keeper Location: Pierrefonds, Quebec Find me on the map! Zone: 5 Name: Chris Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 139 BananaBucks : 17,199 Feedback: 1 / 100% Said "Thanks" 85 Times Was Thanked 142 Times in 82 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 8 Times	Re: Wwyd Your right about the variance. I'm sure someone will take them. I would if I was closer! Maybe try posting in the classifieds as free for pickup. __________________ --Chris So far: Dwarf Cavendish -- Basjoo -- Bunch of Truly Tiny

12-28-2015, 02:22 PM	#10 (permalink)
Botanical_Bryce Location: Inverness, Florida Zone: 9a Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 881 BananaBucks : 83,340 Feedback: 4 / 100% Said "Thanks" 7 Times Was Thanked 1,459 Times in 636 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times	Re: Wwyd I have special spots picked out for every variety I get. The vientes will get the warmest point between my mobile and forest canopy. Some will go near my pond. Since I moved to this new place we have had record warm winters so I have yet to see how cold it will get and what parts of the property are warmest. The place I just came from 20 miles away got soooo cold and I only grew my cavendish there. My fertilizers Lesco palm and tropical slow release with micronutrients 8 10 10 Humic shale Biochar Kelp Compost Mulch Mykos Bone meal Phosphate dust

12-28-2015, 02:28 PM	#11 (permalink)
Botanical_Bryce Location: Inverness, Florida Zone: 9a Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 881 BananaBucks : 83,340 Feedback: 4 / 100% Said "Thanks" 7 Times Was Thanked 1,459 Times in 636 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times	Re: Wwyd Last winter I had the best looking banana plants in the neighborhood. I also have a warm porch for potting vientes. I have no desire to so that with cavendish. Orinocos stay green even after light freeze. My salt marsh banana performs similar to the orinoco but gets bigger. My tiny cavendishes fare reasonable but take up no space so need for those to go. I surely will keep at least one cavendish.

12-28-2015, 10:22 PM	#12 (permalink)
Mark Dragt Location: Rochester,Wa Find me on the map! Zone: 8 Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 823 BananaBucks : 41,411 Feedback: 2 / 100% Said "Thanks" 3,357 Times Was Thanked 1,718 Times in 635 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 332 Times	Re: Wwyd Last year I also had the best looking banana plants. Of course I am the only one in the neighborhood that is growing bananas. I fertilized with bunny berries and bunny berry tea. Plants love it. __________________ Mark's Banana Forest Paradise

12-28-2015, 10:29 PM	#13 (permalink)
Botanical_Bryce Location: Inverness, Florida Zone: 9a Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 881 BananaBucks : 83,340 Feedback: 4 / 100% Said "Thanks" 7 Times Was Thanked 1,459 Times in 636 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times	Re: Wwyd I wish for that stuff. My bunny got sick and died.

12-28-2015, 10:39 PM	#14 (permalink)
Mark Dragt Location: Rochester,Wa Find me on the map! Zone: 8 Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 823 BananaBucks : 41,411 Feedback: 2 / 100% Said "Thanks" 3,357 Times Was Thanked 1,718 Times in 635 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 332 Times	Re: Wwyd My daughter has 6 of them. Lots and lots of bunny berries. Plus the rabbits are good recyclers. Throw in a banana leaf, then scoop up some berries. It seams that you can't overdue the berries. Plants keep asking for more. __________________ Mark's Banana Forest Paradise

12-28-2015, 10:43 PM	#15 (permalink)
Botanical_Bryce Location: Inverness, Florida Zone: 9a Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 881 BananaBucks : 83,340 Feedback: 4 / 100% Said "Thanks" 7 Times Was Thanked 1,459 Times in 636 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times	Re: Wwyd Rabbitt poo can be planted in. Not hot at all. My compost is loaded with soldier flies and they love chicken poo. Makes a fine tea for plants.

12-28-2015, 10:43 PM	#16 (permalink)
Botanical_Bryce Location: Inverness, Florida Zone: 9a Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 881 BananaBucks : 83,340 Feedback: 4 / 100% Said "Thanks" 7 Times Was Thanked 1,459 Times in 636 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times	Re: Wwyd Only one chicken.

12-29-2015, 01:14 AM	#18 (permalink)
hydroid Minister of Propaganda hydroid's Photo Gallery Location: Gulf Shores, Alabama Find me on the map! Zone: Zone -8b-9a Name: Bo Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 687 BananaBucks : 117,727 Feedback: 1 / 100% Said "Thanks" 775 Times Was Thanked 729 Times in 329 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 45 Times	Re: Wwyd I'm in a similar zone as you here along the Gulf Coast and I 've never had luck with DC. Just too cold for them. My best success has been with Dwarf Namwah and Raja Puri. I also winterize and this helps for fruit

12-29-2015, 01:01 PM	#20 (permalink)
hydroid Minister of Propaganda hydroid's Photo Gallery Location: Gulf Shores, Alabama Find me on the map! Zone: Zone -8b-9a Name: Bo Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 687 BananaBucks : 117,727 Feedback: 1 / 100% Said "Thanks" 775 Times Was Thanked 729 Times in 329 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 45 Times	Re: Wwyd You probably have a tall Namwah. It takes a bit more to winterize the taller ones. Dwarf Namwah and Raja Puri are short enough I can frame the outside of the plant with plastic fencing and drop grass clippings inside the fencing and wrap with plastic around outside. This makes a good barrier of protection during the hard part of winter. The decaying grass clippings form a heat. This way you have a good start in the spring and the plant is not spending most of the summer to get tall enough to bloom. I also blend my own Fertilizer. I work at it but yes I do get fruit.

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