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Joy Wording question on TARS 18171 African Rhino curator notes

Curator notes: True plantain; horn type bunch; very large fruit;
not stable for number of hand produced; declines rapidly after first cycle.

What does it mean for a banana to decline rapidly after first cycle?

I'm unfamiliar with that wording. Thank you, still learning.
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Default Re: Wording question on TARS 18171 African Rhino curator notes

I would interpret that to mean the first time it fruits it has a certain number of hands, perhaps 2-3, and then on subsequent fruitings from the same mat it has less hands, probably just one.
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The one which I had was quite interesting. Most notably, there were close to 100 pups which formed prior to flowering. Literally, the pups had their own pups, and the pups on the pups had their own pups. Never saw anything like it with any other variety. The pups did not increase in size until the parent plant flowered. The pups grew for a while and then sort of faded out. None seemed to have the vigor of the original plant.

The note, might be pointing to that lack of vigor in succeeding generations.

I didn't get to experiment further with this variety.
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Your photo is not an African Rhino Horn, it's a French type plantain.


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The one which I had was quite interesting. Most notably, there were close to 100 pups which formed prior to flowering. Literally, the pups had their own pups, and the pups on the pups had their own pups. Never saw anything like it with any other variety. The pups did not increase in size until the parent plant flowered. The pups grew for a while and then sort of faded out. None seemed to have the vigor of the original plant.

The note, might be pointing to that lack of vigor in succeeding generations.

I didn't get to experiment further with this variety.
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Right idea but you have it backwards, subsequent fruitings from the same mat will have more hands.


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What does it mean for a banana to decline rapidly after first cycle?

Average fruit size declines rapidly after the first cycle, but it produces more hands and more fruit.

This characteristic is not unique to Horn plantains there are other subgroups that will also produce bunches with more hands and smaller fruit after the first cycle.
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Average fruit size declines rapidly after the first cycle, but it produces more hands and more fruit.

This characteristic is not unique to Horn plantains there are other subgroups that will also produce bunches with more hands and smaller fruit after the first cycle.
Thank you, that makes sense. It was almost unbelievable as to how it could stay a popular variety of it went went down hill from a low initial turnout.

Would separation from the mat regain the large but limited fruit characteristics? How does AR compare to other plantains in terms of flavor?
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Would separation from the mat regain the large but limited fruit characteristics? How does AR compare to other plantains in terms of flavor?
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It was almost unbelievable as to how it could stay a popular variety of it went went down hill from a low initial turnout.
I prefer the larger bunch produced by the first ratoon crop, aka 2nd. Generation, even though the individual fingers are smaller than those produced by the plant crop, aka 1st. Generation.

I used to have hundreds of photos in my gallery depicting this but since we are only allowed a limited amount of space for photos most of the photos were replaced with other cultivars I grow but I left these photos so members could get a better understanding of Horn Plantains.

plant crop, aka 1st. Generation



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So then, would you be growing typically in pairs? For 1st gen and then the ratoon, separate additional pups and repeat? Then this would yield 1 giant sized smaller crop and one large sized and greater number of hands ratoon?
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