What's blooming in your garden? (bananas) - Page 56

crazy banana · 04-03-2015, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by PR-Giants

This is the banana cultivar being sold in the United States as the Goldfinger and did not want it to be confused with the real FHIA-01 Goldfinger developed in Honduras.

Now you got me confused: so "American Goldfinger" is something different than FHIA 1? Is this something like the "Blue Java phenomenon"?

robguz24 · 04-03-2015, 02:15 PM

Any ideas what the American "Goldfinger" could be?

Nicolas Naranja · 04-03-2015, 05:23 PM

What is the difference? What are your sources? I have noticed that TARS has had to classify a bunch of their accessions as unknown. The trade here is pretty much supplied completely by Agristarts, so it is likely some mutation during the tissue culture process. I know they have some variants in Australia.

swamp yankee · 04-05-2015, 04:45 PM

Yahoo - this is the first time in all my years (almost 10) that I have bananas started this early. I'm in NE Florida, is this the right time? Last year I had one start in August and it shriveled and fell off. Last fall I fed them, they got beat up pretty good this winter with the cold and I had to cut them all back.

Anyway, pretty exciting to me.

PR-Giants · 04-05-2015, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Nicolas Naranja

it is likely some mutation during the tissue culture process.

It is more likely the original donor supplied an incorrect plant.

Identification and characterization guide for FHIA banana and plantain hybrids

This guide is much easier to use when you have the correct plants.

I've grown both plants from pups and from tissue cultures and the differences are obvious.

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Originally Posted by Nicolas Naranja

I have noticed that TARS has had to classify a bunch of their accessions as unknown.

That's been going on for years and you probably also noticed that many are not really unknown but were just removed for being incorrect, e.g., a donor supplies multiple plants, the GM gets listed as the Cav, the Cav gets listed as the GM, and then they're both removed for being incorrect.

venturabananas · 04-05-2015, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by PR-Giants

I've grown both plants from pups and from tissue cultures and the differences are obvious.

What are the main differences when you've grow the two varieties side by side? Any idea what the "American Goldfinger" is?

Brian_Banana · 04-05-2015, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by swamp yankee

Yahoo - this is the first time in all my years (almost 10) that I have bananas started this early. I'm in NE Florida, is this the right time? Last year I had one start in August and it shriveled and fell off. Last fall I fed them, they got beat up pretty good this winter with the cold and I had to cut them all back.

Anyway, pretty exciting to me.

So what variety is it?

swamp yankee · 04-05-2015, 09:25 PM

Brian, I don't know. Haven't had anyone be able to id them for me. I will get another picture tomorrow or Tuesday, maybe get some help with the type.

thanks,
rick

Lau · 04-05-2015, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by PR-Giants

Correct, and I would recommend members to grow them side by side and see for themselves.

Do you have pictures of both plant? This is my Maybe Goldfinger.

Lau · 04-06-2015, 06:37 PM

Thanks for the photos. Yes I thought it was everything but a Goldfinger. The plant does have a hairy peduncle. I also found an older photo that shows the bunch position in relation to Pseudostem and the revolute bracts.

The male bud shape on my Goldfinger plant looks so different from the FHIA-01 in the Identification Guide. Thanks again for the photos its nice to view all the different Goldfinger flowers. Have you tried the fruit from the different Goldfinger plants? If you have is the flavor the same from each plant?

The plant is green to light green with abundant dark brown blotches.

swamp yankee · 04-07-2015, 09:43 AM

Here is the picture I took yesterday, seems like they are growing quickly. If anyone has any input on the ants, I'd appreciate it. Not sure if pesticide is the way to go or not. Also if I should be doing anything to feed etc.

I'm such a newbie...

thanks!

Lau · 04-07-2015, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by venturabananas

Yes, the rachis is normally mostly clean in tall Namwah, but sometimes the floral relicts hang on for a while. Give it some time and see what it looks like. Also, "medium Namwah" ("Misi Luki") retains floral relicts beneath the female fingers and down for a foot or two before the rachis becomes clean. And Dwarf Namwah has floral relicts down the whole rachis below the fingers.

I took another picture of that plant and it looks like it could be Misi Luki Namwah. What do you think?

Lau · 04-07-2015, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by PR-Giants

22' Goldfinger

12.5' Goldfinger

12' Goldfinger

Are these three Goldfinger Plants the same?

venturabananas · 04-07-2015, 06:02 PM

That is how my "Misi Luki Namwahs" look. If the fruit look and taste like Namwah, then I'd say that's what you have. Very much a bulletproof plant in my climate.

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Originally Posted by Lau

I took another picture of that plant and it looks like it could be Misi Luki Namwah. What do you think?

venturabananas · 04-08-2015, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by swamp yankee

Here is the picture I took yesterday, seems like they are growing quickly. If anyone has any input on the ants, I'd appreciate it. Not sure if pesticide is the way to go or not. Also if I should be doing anything to feed etc.

I'm such a newbie...

thanks!

Given your location and the appearance of the plant, it is probably Orinoco.

I wouldn't worry about the ants. It does't need anything special. Just keep it watered and give it a regular fertilizer, like you would normally.

venturabananas · 04-08-2015, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by PR-Giants

You have the FHIA-01 growing at Quail Gardens, and you can always use the guide.

Sure, but I'm not growing anything obtained as Goldfinger/FHIA-01. Given that you are growing many varieties, including the real FHIA-01 and "American Goldfinger", many of us are wondering what YOU think "American Goldfinger" is.

I_GROWER · 04-08-2015, 03:05 PM

this was her before i took you good folks suggested (removed pup) but ended up transplanting to the front yard. didnt have the heart to kill her, she grew up nicely

Verigated leaf?
excuse the spelling..

mysor?

how do i know if she still has BSV as some of suggest.

willl the fruit show signs of it?

robguz24 · 04-08-2015, 06:01 PM

Dwarf Gros Michel (no idea what specific kind or if it is even a true GM). Came back from 2 weeks in Ecuador to find it has bloomed after a year in the ground.

PR-Giants · 04-09-2015, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Lau

Are these three Goldfinger Plants the same?

No, it was just a way of saying every banana shouldn't be called a Goldfinger.

Click on the photo, the name should appear in the title.

swamp yankee · 04-10-2015, 03:16 PM

This is the last one I'll trouble you with for awhile, or until I get in trouble.
This morning another couple purple leaves dropped off to reveal another row.
Thanks for your support.

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swamp yankee Location: St Augustine, FL Zone: zone 9 Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 11 BananaBucks : 4,600 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 7 Times Was Thanked 23 Times in 7 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times	Re: What's blooming in your garden? (bananas) Yahoo - this is the first time in all my years (almost 10) that I have bananas started this early. I'm in NE Florida, is this the right time? Last year I had one start in August and it shriveled and fell off. Last fall I fed them, they got beat up pretty good this winter with the cold and I had to cut them all back. Anyway, pretty exciting to me.

04-05-2015, 09:25 PM	#1108 (permalink)
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04-07-2015, 09:43 AM	#1111 (permalink)
swamp yankee Location: St Augustine, FL Zone: zone 9 Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 11 BananaBucks : 4,600 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 7 Times Was Thanked 23 Times in 7 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times	Re: What's blooming in your garden? (bananas) Here is the picture I took yesterday, seems like they are growing quickly. If anyone has any input on the ants, I'd appreciate it. Not sure if pesticide is the way to go or not. Also if I should be doing anything to feed etc. I'm such a newbie... thanks!

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I_GROWER Location: South FL Zone: 10b Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 241 BananaBucks : 30,048 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 310 Times Was Thanked 1,082 Times in 209 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 7 Times	Re: What's blooming in your garden? (bananas) this was her before i took you good folks suggested (removed pup) but ended up transplanting to the front yard. didnt have the heart to kill her, she grew up nicely Verigated leaf? excuse the spelling.. mysor? how do i know if she still has BSV as some of suggest. willl the fruit show signs of it?

04-08-2015, 06:01 PM	#1118 (permalink)
robguz24 Rob Location: Kalapana, Hawaii Find me on the map! Zone: 11 Name: Rob Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,506 BananaBucks : 260,629 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 1,320 Times Was Thanked 4,961 Times in 1,080 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 204 Times	Re: What's blooming in your garden? (bananas) Dwarf Gros Michel (no idea what specific kind or if it is even a true GM). Came back from 2 weeks in Ecuador to find it has bloomed after a year in the ground. __________________ My micro-farm Stay on my Big Island banana farm cottage

04-10-2015, 03:16 PM	#1120 (permalink)
swamp yankee Location: St Augustine, FL Zone: zone 9 Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 11 BananaBucks : 4,600 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 7 Times Was Thanked 23 Times in 7 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times	Re: What's blooming in your garden? (bananas) This is the last one I'll trouble you with for awhile, or until I get in trouble. This morning another couple purple leaves dropped off to reveal another row. Thanks for your support.

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