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Old 05-25-2024, 08:42 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default What's the best propagation method for this situation?

I have a lightly variegated non dwarf Pisang Awak mother plant that has several pups and one of the pups is a nicely variegated sword. I'd like to quickly propagate this nicely variegated pup without damaging it and also I'd like the new pups that are produced to grow extremely quickly. Any lightly variegated or non variegated plants in this grouping have no significant value and can be killed or removed if necessary.

What's the best propagation method for this situation?
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Old 05-25-2024, 09:26 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I assume it would be an in ground plant. I do not know if this would be the best way but it is the one I have used successfully before. I would cut off the mother plant near soil level and then kill the mothers growth point by cutting it out, leaving as much intact corm as possible. Then I would remove the undesirable pups completely from the mother corm. That would allow the preferred pup to feed off the mothers corm reserves. I have done it another way by just cutting the undesirable pups off above ground and then keeping any of their replacement growth cut off.

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I assume it would be an in ground plant.
It is.


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Then I would remove the undesirable pups completely from the mother corm.
Yeah, making that nicely variegated pup the dominate pup was the first thing I did.

Usually when starting with a slightly variegated mother plant getting one nicely variegated pup is rare and getting two would be very rare.

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That would allow the preferred pup to feed off the mothers corm reserves.
Good choice. Let Gen 1 power Gen 2.


After removing the undesirable pups I partitioned the variegated pup from the mother plant and raised the soil level for the pup by 8 inches.

Anyone that's grown on an incline has noticed that pups on the uphill side have a higher growing point than the pups on the downhill side. The partition is an easy way to replicate that.
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"After removing the undesirable pups I partitioned the variegated pup from the mother plant and raised the soil level for the pup by 8 inches." ............"The partition is an easy way to replicate that."

What do you mean by "partitioned"? Could you elaborate on how to replicate.

"Anyone that's grown on an incline has noticed that pups on the uphill side have a higher growing point than the pups on the downhill side."

I did not know that as my land is completely flat, except for a small slope on the back end, which I maintain as a buffer. It only varies 1 foot over 9 acres of my 10 at 32 and 33 feet above sea level. Very interesting knowledge you are providing here!

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What do you mean by "partitioned"? Could you elaborate on how to replicate.
I'm basically doing this how you posted except with a slight variation.

Letting the Gen 1 Plant power the Gen 2 Plant works great as you stated.

This method allows me to remove the Gen 2 Plant and power the Gen 3 Pups from the Gen 1 Plant.

It was a useless technique when I posted about it 11 years ago but it later began very useful when I started growing variegated Pisang Awak.

The partition is a temporary raised bed around the target pup to raise it's growing point so the nicely variegated pup can be successfully removed while leaving behind most of it's rhizome for propagation.

The final result will be a Gen 1 Plant powering Gen 3 Pups via a Gen 2 Rhizome.
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That makes perfect sense and one that would be very useful. I know you had posted about raising the growing point but I did not think about it in conjunction with being able to harvest the original Gen 2 plant to grow on and stimulate more desirable Gen 3 pups from the original mat. Before you posted this I would have just left the whole Gen 2 in ground waiting for it to do all the work. Excellent information for growers! This is why I love this group.
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Anytime a member removes a pup from the plant they usually leave some of the pup's rhizome with the mother plant, so in a general sense this technique is very common.

Understanding the basics of apical dominance and knowing how to manipulate it is important for anyone growing these variegated beauties.
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The best propagation method for quickly propagating a nicely variegated pup from a Pisang Awak mother plant while ensuring rapid growth is likely tissue culture propagation. Tissue culture propagation minimizes the risk of damaging the pup during propagation. Pokerogue
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I think the question was asked as a teaching moment for the typical banana collectors that are visitors here. Most here do not want to deal with tissue culture as growing bananas is just a fun activity for them and tissue culture is more of a commercial enterprise. There are probably a few here that do some tissue culture though.
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Anytime a member removes a pup from the plant they usually leave some of the pup's rhizome with the mother plant, so in a general sense this technique is very common.

Understanding the basics of apical dominance and knowing how to manipulate it is important for anyone growing these variegated beauties.
I swear PR, every time you post it's a wealth of knowledge.

Thank you for explaining this technique for the newer generation of Banana growers.

I just look up your posts and I feel like Scrooge McDuck diving into his vault of gold coins, except the gold coins are banana facts.

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The best propagation method for quickly propagating a nicely variegated pup from a Pisang Awak mother plant while ensuring rapid growth is likely tissue culture propagation. Tissue culture propagation minimizes the risk of damaging the pup during propagation. Pokerogue
This method is much faster than tissue culture propagation but more importantly, even though it wasn't directly stated in the original post it should have been obvious to all that the goal was to quickly produce new highly variegated offshoots and not to produce only green offshoots.

It makes no sense to use a variegated Pisang Awak for the purpose of tissue culturing green plantlets and the original pup would be destroyed during the process.
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