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luisport 07-23-2021 02:22 PM

What musa variety is this? Saw it in a Portuguese river bed...
 
Today i saw this musa trees on river Almonda in Torres Novas. I was very surprised!




Backyard Banana Joe 07-23-2021 03:44 PM

Re: What musa variety is this? Saw it in a Portuguese river bed...
 
Wow, they don’t look too happy! The opposite extreme of the normal bane of bananas being too dry. Thems too wet!!

luisport 07-23-2021 03:49 PM

Re: What musa variety is this? Saw it in a Portuguese river bed...
 
Well i imagine that, but no one planted them there... what variety do you think they are? Musa basjoo? Even so it's so incredible to have musa trees on a Portuguese river bed...

Backyard Banana Joe 07-23-2021 04:05 PM

Re: What musa variety is this? Saw it in a Portuguese river bed...
 
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Originally Posted by luisport (Post 343412)
Well i imagine that, but no one planted them there... what variety do you think they are? Musa basjoo? Even so it's so incredible to have musa trees on a Portuguese river bed...

That is incredible, thanks for posting! I don’t know how they can hang on there sandwiched between a house and a river.

I don’t really know, maybe Orinoco?

luisport 07-23-2021 04:06 PM

Re: What musa variety is this? Saw it in a Portuguese river bed...
 
This is a very hardy area more than mine... it's so incredible to have a musa colony self stablished in a portuguese river! I'm stoned! No one planted them! Of course they excaped some garden, some one trow them away and water river transport them to this location. This is really incredible... i have to talk with local authorities to protect them!

luisport 07-23-2021 04:08 PM

Re: What musa variety is this? Saw it in a Portuguese river bed...
 
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Originally Posted by Backyard Banana Joe (Post 343414)
That is incredible, thanks for posting! I don’t know how they can hang on there sandwiched between a house and a river.

I don’t really know, maybe Orinoco?

I don't know what variety they are... it can be basjoo?

sirdoofus 07-23-2021 07:38 PM

Re: What musa variety is this? Saw it in a Portuguese river bed...
 
I don't think they are basjoo - the leaf and petiole shape/structure looks all wrong...although they are growing in an adverse environment which can sometimes induce unusual morphology.....however, that would be a pretty radical shift

luisport 07-24-2021 01:05 AM

Re: What musa variety is this? Saw it in a Portuguese river bed...
 
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Originally Posted by sirdoofus (Post 343433)
I don't think they are basjoo - the leaf and petiole shape/structure looks all wrong...although they are growing in an adverse environment which can sometimes induce unusual morphology.....however, that would be a pretty radical shift

Thank you very much my friend! An orinoco then? I'm really excited!

Valor_X 07-24-2021 07:33 AM

Re: What musa variety is this? Saw it in a Portuguese river bed...
 
AMAZING! They are literally growing on the moss & rocks.

Could they be Orinoco? Maybe

From experience Orinoco are EXTREMELY hardy and will try and grow in any condition. For example my mother digs up huge suckers to thin out her mats and one time she laid them flat on top the grass for about a week or more to wait for the "heavy trash" (tree waste) to come and to our surprise they were already sending new roots into the ground and sending out NEW shoots vertically even though they were completely dug up laying flat. I think this is why they can be found all over Florida. If you simply just dump them they will still try and grow - and likely succeed!

That being said these look a lot skinnier than mine (even though Orinoco are already skinny) and the leaves are also skinny as well. But it could simply be because of where they are growing.

Thanks for sharing Luis!

luisport 07-24-2021 07:40 AM

Re: What musa variety is this? Saw it in a Portuguese river bed...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Valor_X (Post 343442)
AMAZING! They are literally growing on the moss & rocks.

Could they be Orinoco? Maybe

From experience Orinoco are EXTREMELY hardy and will try and grow in any condition. For example my mother digs up huge suckers to thin out her mats and one time she laid them flat on top the grass for about a week or more to wait for the "heavy trash" (tree waste) to come and to our surprise they were already sending new roots into the ground and sending out NEW shoots vertically even though they were completely dug up laying flat. I think this is why they can be found all over Florida. If you simply just dump them they will still try and grow - and likely succeed!

That being said these look a lot skinnier than mine (even though Orinoco are already skinny) and the leaves are also skinny as well. But it could simply be because of where they are growing.

Thanks for sharing Luis!

Thank's a lot! It was a great help!

sirdoofus 07-24-2021 10:14 AM

Re: What musa variety is this? Saw it in a Portuguese river bed...
 
I am assuming you are going to talk to the owners of that building and wrangle a pup or two for yourself? I mean, in the name of potentially unique cultivar preservation, of course :D

luisport 07-24-2021 11:12 AM

Re: What musa variety is this? Saw it in a Portuguese river bed...
 
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Originally Posted by sirdoofus (Post 343447)
I am assuming you are going to talk to the owners of that building and wrangle a pup or two for yourself? I mean, in the name of potentially unique cultivar preservation, of course :D

Lol! I can't that's public. It's the municipality that have the jurisdiction of the river and it's beds. Those banana trees are not from anyone besides the municipality... but i can't reach there, just by boat or swimming...


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