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Old 08-15-2020, 05:10 AM   #1 (permalink)
 
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Ok guys.. i realize that this is likely a nutritional issue, but it happened very suddenly, with little change to my fertilizing schedule. I bought this plant (viente cohol) from Larry (Sddarkman) in the spring. I had it potted, until my goldendoodle though it would make a good toy. I had little hope of it recovering, but after a month or so it put out a new leaf. I put it in the ground, in a semi sunny spot, where it didnt do much, so in July, i dug it up and moved to full sun.. it started putting out about a leaf a week.. then last week the leafe came out pretty varigated. I did add some topdressed horse manure recently, but other than that its been getting 13-13-13 supplemented with MOP.. could this plant be a sport of some sort? Or is this nutritional.. opinions?
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BUMP! 56 views and nobody has an opinion?? Come on folks!
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I think the views include guests. So probably thirty men saw it. I dunno what it is
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The cigar coming out now is like this as well.. Ive never had anything like this..
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Na, I put it there. Gotten several questions about it lol
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I think its just a result of the shocks of dog/ transplanting / semi-shade. The leaves probably were stressed at the same time is my guess. But time will tell if you hit veinte 'gold'

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Yea we will see! Its put out several normal leaves since arriving at its current location, which is why i was so surprised to see that leaf pop out.. and now the next one too.. just another cool thing about bananas!
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Good luck. I hope they all stay variegated of you.

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Hate to even say it but I just looked through an old post of PR Giants, "Links to Help Identify Your Banana" today that someone resurrected and at the bottom of post No. 11 of the thread there is a photo of something called "Banana Streak Virus" and "Cucumber Mosaic Virus". Might want to check those out or ask Gabe about it. I hope these are not applicable to your plant.

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Hate to even say it but I just looked through an old post of PR Giants, "Links to Help Identify Your Banana" today that someone resurrected and at the bottom of post No. 11 of the thread there is a photo of something called "Banana Streak Virus" and "Cucumber Mosaic Virus". Might want to check those out or ask Gabe about it. I hope these are not applicable to your plant.

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Yikes.. that definitely looks similar. Ill research and see if i can find a better list of other symptoms of those virus.. i had no idea cucumber mosaic could even affect bananas. Appreciate the heads up.
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So i found this on the web.. it certainly fits what is going on with my plant. So far i only have the leaf related symptoms, and fortunately this plant is separated by 50 ft or so from my main patch. I suppose ill continue to monitor it, and if i see any other signs ill habve to destroy the plant. I would do so immediatly, but Banana Joe posted a varigated viente cohol apparently in Ty Taylors collection. Maybe ill PM him and see what he thinks.

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Top of pageSymptom expression varies depending on the isolate of the pathogen, the host cultivar and the environment and can vary from an inconspicuous flecking to lethal necrosis. However, the most common symptoms are narrow, discontinuous and sometimes continuous chlorotic or yellow streaks that run from the leaf midrib to the margin. In some cases, spindle or eye-shaped patterns are present. Yellow blotches have also been associated with banana streak. Symptoms can be sparse or concentrated. Sometimes the lamina can be distorted. Streaks later darken to orange and often become brown or black. Necrosis has also been seen on the midrib and petiole. Necrosis occurs more under low temperature, short-day conditions (Lockhart and Jones, 1999).

A characteristic of infection is the periodicity of symptom expression in leaves. Plants may not show streak symptoms in all leaves and, for several months at a time, emerging leaves may be symptomless or show only slight symptoms. Symptom expression seems to be associated with the change of seasons and fluctuating temperatures may play a role (Dahal et al., 1998a, 2000a,b). The intensity of symptoms has been associated with the concentration of virus in the tissue; the higher the virus concentration, the more severe the symptoms (Dahal et al., 1998b). Plants with BSD may appear symptomless at some stage in their growth cycle as leaves with symptoms are shed and new leaves appear without symptoms due to factors discussed above. Some infected land races show no symptoms even under fluctuating environmental conditions (Dahal et al., 1998a).

Other symptoms associated with BSD are stunting, cigar leaf necrosis, internal necrosis of the pseudostem, a reduction in bunch size, incomplete emergence of bunches and bunches emerging through the side of the pseudostem. Occasionally, dark streak symptoms may be visible on the pseudostem and fingers may be distorted (Lockhart and Jones, 1999).

In Australia, broad yellow lines in the leaf lamina parallel to the midrib, leaf twisting, grooves in the base of the pseudostem and an abnormal arrangement of leaves similar to the traveller's palm (Ravenala madagascariensis) have also been associated with banana streak disease in 'Williams' (AAA, Cavendish subgroup) (Daniells et al., 1998).

Three phases of symptom expression have been recognized in commercial Cavendish plantations in Ecuador. The first is the appearance of chlorotic streaks in leaves, the second is the appearance of dark blotches on the pseudostem and midrib and the third is the splitting of the outer leaf sheaths of the pseudostem sometimes as far up as the petiole. This allows entry of a bacterium that cause a soft rot of the base of the pseudostem. If the plant produces a bunch, peel splitting and necrotic spot and streak symptoms can appear on fruit. Similar symptoms have been seen on 'Grand Nain' (AAA, Cavendish subgroup) in Costa Rica (Lockhart and Jones, 1999).

In the state of Tamil Nadu in India, leaf and aberrant bunch formation symptoms are common on 'Poovan' and seem to increase in severity with the number of crop cycles (DR Jones, Montpellier, France, 1995, personal communication; Thiribhuvanamala and Sabitha Doraisamy, 2001).
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