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Old 05-27-2011, 07:32 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Default Re: Variegated Musa "Florida"

Thanks so much for being diligent with the updated photos! I am now a firm believer that this is a new variegated variety. I really doubt now that this form came from Florida. I have never ever seen it anywhere in Florida (or anywhere offered for sale in the US). Ill bet that it was brought in from another country and was confused with AeAe from the identical variegated patterning and coloration in Thailand. The coloration and patterning of variegation is very close to AeAe if not exact. The one I have was sold to me as Variegated Ornata RoxB and came from Singapore. Well, I think we can be sure it is not an Ornata. The seller told me he brought it from Indonesia. Mine has the pink margins on the petioles, same white sectored variegation, much more slender trunk than Aeae, and also tends to loose a lot of the variegation as it grows (but so far has always produced extremely variegated suckers as in your photo). RoxB refers to the gentleman who discovered and named some bananas, Ensete Glaucum, and one of the Ornatas, for example. SO I think we are still left wondering what this bananas true ID is. You mention that the fruit is similar to another banana you are familiar with. If this "Florida" was not variegated, does this other banana tree have similar growth habits>>height, dia of p-stem,etc.? Probably the easiest way to try to ID it is to find its normal all green counterpart that matches all the other growth habits. Thanks again for your information and photos! PS Is this the first time you have had fruit? Just wondering if it might be seeded or not...............

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This banana has been discussed a few times before. See this post which gives an I.D., though I don't know if it's accurate: Musa 'Florida variegate' or just an AeAe
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Old 05-27-2011, 08:22 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Default Re: Variegated Musa "Florida"

Thanks Harvey! This is what I got out of that post;
"Sadly it's not a AE AE.
It is a Musa sp. "Linn", which is a widespreaded banana in thailand.
It loses it beautiful white leaves when it becomes older."
Now, I just looked up Musa Sapientum Linn. in Wikipedia;

Musaceae
paradisiaca L. for plantains and Musa sapientum L. for dessert banana
So it looks like we're back to square one..................
I also found a photo here in a members gallery of MUSA SAPIENTUM LINN VARIEGATED, and the photo was of a young variegated Indonesian Ivory..........Which, if I'm not mistaken is Paradisiaca...........

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...would be nice if it didn't have seeds.Keep us posted!
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Pete and I discussed this banana quite a bit a few years ago (I helped fund his purchase of one in hopes of getting a pup one day) and I'm pretty sure either the seller he bought it from or another seller had indicated that it had seeded fruit. These sellers have left a lot to guessing! From Pete's growing experience with it, I thought it seemed to be more vigorous than Ae Ae. Based on Greenie's success with Ae Ae, I don't think that's something he needs to worry about!
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Default Re: Variegated Musa "Florida"

The fruits had ripen and been munched by squirrels as we speak, but i'm having problems with my camera. I'll try to salvage what I can. It does not look like a variety that has great shelf life though.

Yes, this is the first time that this variety had successfully fruited for me. The fruits are not seedy. I am aware that there are sellers on eBay selling seeds that even have photos of variegated seedlings to prove their claims, but I can find none on mine.

Here are photos of 2 other plants that did not quite make it (seems like trimming is mandatory to get the fruits successfully developed).



One of my contacts had sent a better photo of a fruiting bunch that came from a (seemingly defunct) website of a local nursery that had them a while back. I don't think that I can post it here since I don't even know the owners of the photo, but I would be glad to send them through email.

The fruits from that photo and the ones I have look very similar to all those Ae Ae/Florida that are advertised by Thai nurseries (atgtree.com, kingadenium.com, bkinterplants etc), which looks different from the fruits of Ae Ae in the States.

p/s: can anybody help me source an Ae Ae pup?

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Shamsul, Ae Ae should be there as Tog Tan had mentioned growing it. Greenie has a lot of pups but don't know that he would be interested in shipping out of country.
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Hi Harvey, if I remembered correctly, Tog sourced his corms from Thailand, which means that he could be getting the same variety as I did.

Did Pete manage to get them to fruit? A side by side comparison with Ae Ae could be useful.

As for the identification in the other thread, the binomial name "Musa sp. Linn." should not be conclusive or accurate in any way, as the term is too general. Every Musa species in existence could be described as Musa sp. Linn. since it was Linn./L. (Linneaus) that described the genus.

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My (...er...Harvey's) FV Made it through our icy Winter, and is putting on it's third leaf. I dug it up last year, and saw several pups, but only one popped up so far.
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Pete, it's either yours or "ours". Looking forward to trying it one day. How cold did it get there this winter?
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I'm not really sure. We had temps in the single digits, snow, and ground that was frozen for a few days.
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Default Re: Variegated Musa "Florida"

This is the big corm I got from Thailand. Its sure has a dark red Edge.
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No seeds.

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