Uber rare and cool stuff!

momoese · 08-27-2005, 08:35 PM

I'm sure some or most of you serious Banana growers have allready seen this site but just in case here is a link to a site I just stumbled upon that is truly mind blowing. I have spent about an hour just looking amazement at all the crazy stuff they have! There are so many things I want to order. Has anyone here ordered from this place?

http://natureproducts.net/index.html

Casa Del Gatos · 08-28-2005, 08:29 AM

I find it interesting that they list a "Musa Yunannensis" as a new species on this page Plant List
The page it goes to is titled "musa_acuminata.html" and the description says
"Yunnan Jungle Banana (Musa itinerans)Wild Forest Banana." It is described as having leaves capable of withstanding frost!

I understand the language/translation issues, but I wonder which terms are accurate because I am REAL interested in a Banana that can keep leaves through the winter. I understood the Basjoo is the most cold-tolerant, but even it is not claimed to keep its leaves after frost.

Anyone know anything about this "new" species?

TimChapman · 08-28-2005, 03:15 PM

most of the new stuff has not officially been published yet, but the names the use are the proposed names.. just a matter of time before the writeups are done and published etc. I haven't seen too much listed on cold hardiness trials of the newer species yet. They are fairly new, so it will be awhile before mature sized plants are put to the test. I have seeds of most of their species still. They stopped selling retail seed packets apparently. There are some other new species coming out of china, don't know if they'll have those too or not, but lots of stuff still being discovered here and there!

Tim Chapman

Gabe15 · 08-29-2005, 11:04 AM

I have yunnanesis, rubinea, itinerans var. gigante, basjoo, cheesmani, Musella, and will be getting soon nagensium, thomsonii and that 'Giant Bract'. I must say that so far (although no real tests of its tolerance have been run), Musa yunnanensis (which is very distinct mind you) has taken the cooler temps much better then other more common ones (not including basjoo and those hardy ones, but like "normal" bananas). I should add that I will be testing hardiness on most of these species in the near future.

bananaman · 08-29-2005, 03:03 PM

Its their "Vino- Tinto" that enthrals me.
Cant wait for that one.
Due for release in 2006 I believe.
I have Emailed them (they have an office in Germany) but no reply (didnt expect one !!).
Lets find out as much as we can.

momoese · 08-29-2005, 03:55 PM

Yes, the Vino Tinto is what got me excited as well! What a great looking plant! I also tried emailing the German company but recieved no reply. It looks like they also sell some majic snake oil that is suposed to fight hiv or aids but all the people on the message board seem very dissapointed and can't get any replies to their questions either! They might not be a very reliable company so it looks like we'll have to wait for someone to export it.

tropicalkid · 08-29-2005, 06:26 PM

They were selling seeds for this rare banana plants a while ago too.They no longer do so though.

tropicalkid

momoese · 08-29-2005, 06:48 PM

So who has the goods? Speak up!

Gabe15 · 08-29-2005, 08:51 PM

As far as plants, they are a very reliable company. I got mine within 2 weeks of order from China, they arrived fine. I emailed them directly to there Chinese office and got a quick reply so I would just try that. Importing was also very easy as they did all the work.

momoese · 08-29-2005, 11:29 PM

So did you get any Vino Tinto seeds? The China email does not work. This may be due to political reasons. I have heard that China and some other countries have shut down export of exotic TC's and seeds for the time being.

Gabe15 · 08-29-2005, 11:41 PM

They never offered 'Vino Tinto' seeds, it is a hybrid ( yunnanensis x rubinea ), so seeds are not even a reliable way to propagate the plant, plus, plants are not even available yet so I would doubt they would have seeds as well. The only similar seeds they offered were Musa rubinea which is as mentioned, one of the parents and of supposedly similar.

momoese · 08-29-2005, 11:56 PM

Good point!

tropicalkid · 08-30-2005, 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by momoese

So who has the goods? Speak up!

I assumed gabe had something from them

Besides him, Gingerwod Nursery (the owner Tim Chapman is a member here too) imported some seeds from them when they were still available.That's where I bought my E. glaucum, E. perrieri, and M. giant bract seeds.They have other rare variety seeds/plants too.
Here's the link:

http://www.gingerwoodnursery.com/

tropicalkid

momoese · 08-30-2005, 10:58 AM

Thanks for the link, I'l check it out. I did finally recieve an email from the German company stating the the M Vino Tinto is still under registration and not available yet.

Sodak · 09-12-2005, 11:32 PM

There are so many interesting "new" types becoming available now, it's hard to decide which are worthy of cultivation when basing a decision on a sellers hype. Itinerans does look like a very worthy prospect based on its ornamental qualities. Musa Ingens has got to be the most interesting prospect currently for myself, maybe because there is not much information out yet. It seems that people are simply not interested because of its huge size, or are only interested in edible varieties??? I've read of a few people with seeds currently, but no news on germination or wheter Ingens could be tissue cultured, or even grown outdoors any place other than New Guinea. I've got to admit, it would be really neat if only to grow the thing outdoors as an annual plant every year.

Gabe15 · 09-13-2005, 11:00 AM

Musa ingens is not popular yet because there are no plants in the market and seeds are rediculously hard to germinate. I will be doing some extensive studies on in vitro embryo germination this year and hope to possibly get a few M. ingens plants from it. In past trials, only a very very small percentage of seeds have ever germinated in cultivation.

tropicalkid · 09-13-2005, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gabe15

Musa ingens is not popular yet because there are no plants in the market and seeds are rediculously hard to germinate. I will be doing some extensive studies on in vitro embryo germination this year and hope to possibly get a few M. ingens plants from it. In past trials, only a very very small percentage of seeds have ever germinated in cultivation.

I can tell that.Mine haven't germinated after more than 4 weeks, switching temps. outside and always wet potting soil.

tropicalkid

Sodak · 09-15-2005, 08:24 PM

Somebody on gardenweb has reported that one of their Ingens seeds has sprouted.

tropicalkid · 09-19-2005, 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sodak

Somebody on gardenweb has reported that one of their Ingens seeds has sprouted.

Who is it???

Is he or she also a member of these forums????

tropicalkid

bananalover · 09-19-2005, 08:12 PM

Eric_9b right there on the Garden web under the Ingens post. Says he had one sprouted.

08-27-2005, 08:35 PM	#1 (permalink)
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08-28-2005, 08:29 AM	#2 (permalink)
Casa Del Gatos Senior Member Casa Del Gatos's Photo Gallery Location: Silverhill, Alabama Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 103 BananaBucks : 1,014 Feedback: 0 / 0% Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Welcomes: 0	Re: Uber rare and cool stuff! I find it interesting that they list a "Musa Yunannensis" as a new species on this page Plant List The page it goes to is titled "musa_acuminata.html" and the description says "Yunnan Jungle Banana (Musa itinerans)Wild Forest Banana." It is described as having leaves capable of withstanding frost! I understand the language/translation issues, but I wonder which terms are accurate because I am REAL interested in a Banana that can keep leaves through the winter. I understood the Basjoo is the most cold-tolerant, but even it is not claimed to keep its leaves after frost. Anyone know anything about this "new" species?

08-28-2005, 03:15 PM	#3 (permalink)
TimChapman Junior Member TimChapman's Photo Gallery Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 19 BananaBucks : 312 Feedback: 0 / 0% Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Welcomes: 0	Re: Uber rare and cool stuff! most of the new stuff has not officially been published yet, but the names the use are the proposed names.. just a matter of time before the writeups are done and published etc. I haven't seen too much listed on cold hardiness trials of the newer species yet. They are fairly new, so it will be awhile before mature sized plants are put to the test. I have seeds of most of their species still. They stopped selling retail seed packets apparently. There are some other new species coming out of china, don't know if they'll have those too or not, but lots of stuff still being discovered here and there! Tim Chapman

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momoese Organic Mechanic momoese's Photo Gallery Location: West Los Angeles CA Find me on the map! Zone: zone 10 Name: Mitchel Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,953 BananaBucks : 28,505 Feedback: 9 / 100% Thanks: 32 Thanked 371 Times in 200 Posts Welcomes: 91	Re: Uber rare and cool stuff! So who has the goods? Speak up! __________________ Mitchel

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Gabe15 MC Banana Commander Gabe15's Photo Gallery Location: Honolulu, HI Find me on the map! Zone: 11 Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,537 BananaBucks : 16,543 Feedback: 4 / 100% Thanks: 1 Thanked 772 Times in 322 Posts Welcomes: 1	Re: Uber rare and cool stuff! As far as plants, they are a very reliable company. I got mine within 2 weeks of order from China, they arrived fine. I emailed them directly to there Chinese office and got a quick reply so I would just try that. Importing was also very easy as they did all the work. __________________ The only hemp Im growing is Manila.

08-29-2005, 11:29 PM	#10 (permalink)
momoese Organic Mechanic momoese's Photo Gallery Location: West Los Angeles CA Find me on the map! Zone: zone 10 Name: Mitchel Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,953 BananaBucks : 28,505 Feedback: 9 / 100% Thanks: 32 Thanked 371 Times in 200 Posts Welcomes: 91	Re: Uber rare and cool stuff! So did you get any Vino Tinto seeds? The China email does not work. This may be due to political reasons. I have heard that China and some other countries have shut down export of exotic TC's and seeds for the time being. __________________ Mitchel

08-29-2005, 11:41 PM	#11 (permalink)
Gabe15 MC Banana Commander Gabe15's Photo Gallery Location: Honolulu, HI Find me on the map! Zone: 11 Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,537 BananaBucks : 16,543 Feedback: 4 / 100% Thanks: 1 Thanked 772 Times in 322 Posts Welcomes: 1	Re: Uber rare and cool stuff! They never offered 'Vino Tinto' seeds, it is a hybrid ( yunnanensis x rubinea ), so seeds are not even a reliable way to propagate the plant, plus, plants are not even available yet so I would doubt they would have seeds as well. The only similar seeds they offered were Musa rubinea which is as mentioned, one of the parents and of supposedly similar. __________________ The only hemp Im growing is Manila.

08-29-2005, 11:56 PM	#12 (permalink)
momoese Organic Mechanic momoese's Photo Gallery Location: West Los Angeles CA Find me on the map! Zone: zone 10 Name: Mitchel Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,953 BananaBucks : 28,505 Feedback: 9 / 100% Thanks: 32 Thanked 371 Times in 200 Posts Welcomes: 91	Re: Uber rare and cool stuff! Good point! __________________ Mitchel

08-30-2005, 10:58 AM	#14 (permalink)
momoese Organic Mechanic momoese's Photo Gallery Location: West Los Angeles CA Find me on the map! Zone: zone 10 Name: Mitchel Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,953 BananaBucks : 28,505 Feedback: 9 / 100% Thanks: 32 Thanked 371 Times in 200 Posts Welcomes: 91	Re: Uber rare and cool stuff! Thanks for the link, I'l check it out. I did finally recieve an email from the German company stating the the M Vino Tinto is still under registration and not available yet. __________________ Mitchel

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Sodak Northern Grower Location: Black Hills, Dakota Territory Zone: 5A Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 104 BananaBucks : 1,332 Feedback: 4 / 100% Thanks: 6 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts Welcomes: 0	Re: Uber rare and cool stuff! There are so many interesting "new" types becoming available now, it's hard to decide which are worthy of cultivation when basing a decision on a sellers hype. Itinerans does look like a very worthy prospect based on its ornamental qualities. Musa Ingens has got to be the most interesting prospect currently for myself, maybe because there is not much information out yet. It seems that people are simply not interested because of its huge size, or are only interested in edible varieties??? I've read of a few people with seeds currently, but no news on germination or wheter Ingens could be tissue cultured, or even grown outdoors any place other than New Guinea. I've got to admit, it would be really neat if only to grow the thing outdoors as an annual plant every year.

09-13-2005, 11:00 AM	#16 (permalink)
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09-15-2005, 08:24 PM	#18 (permalink)
Sodak Northern Grower Location: Black Hills, Dakota Territory Zone: 5A Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 104 BananaBucks : 1,332 Feedback: 4 / 100% Thanks: 6 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts Welcomes: 0	Re: Uber rare and cool stuff! Somebody on gardenweb has reported that one of their Ingens seeds has sprouted.

09-19-2005, 08:12 PM	#20 (permalink)
bananalover Senior Member bananalover's Photo Gallery Find me on the map! Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 186 BananaBucks : 1,932 Feedback: 0 / 0% Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Welcomes: 0	Re: Uber rare and cool stuff! Eric_9b right there on the Garden web under the Ingens post. Says he had one sprouted.