Which type grows the tallest the fastest? - Page 2

Tog Tan · 05-15-2009, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Rmplmnz

Opinions will vary, in my opinion Bananas are much easier to deal with than bamboo (not to mention Florida gets significantly more rainfall than Southern California; which equates to faster and more lateral growth). Although this is probably a mute point as you have already ruled out bamboo. "For me, bamboo is not an option, I need to stick with bananas." (post#4).

Good luck!!

I totally agree!

Whoever plants bamboo on a fence will definitely have a big fight with the neighbor, just how long it takes to get there.

I come from the land of bamboo. In terms of natural weeds here, #1 Bamboo, #2 'Naner species and #3 Gingers. Of the 3, bamboo takes over fastest and the rhizome is hard and very difficult to remove...and on top of that the bloody leaves!!!! The other side of the fence will curse you for it.

momoese · 05-15-2009, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Tog Tan

I totally agree!

Whoever plants bamboo on a fence will definitely have a big fight with the neighbor, just how long it takes to get there.

Here in So Cal lots of people use Alphonse Karr along fence lines for screens. If a large plastic root barrier is used along with clumping bamboo there shouldn't be any issues. Leaves falling on the ground is another story, but hey, they make good mulch!

BIGDAWG69 · 05-15-2009, 07:25 PM

red tip photinia can get rather tall fast.

Rmplmnz · 05-15-2009, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MICHAELGRANT

Hi all,

I live in Palm City, Florida (near Stuart) and would like to plant bananas along my back fence to block out our neighbors two story house. Which species grows the tallest the fastest?

Thanks,

Michael

My recommendations:

Saba
Praying Hands
Brazilian
Reds (you have the climate for it)

shopgirl2 · 05-16-2009, 06:21 AM

why not try the southern Sweet Myrtle? It provides all the above to include height and the aroma is incomparably sweet! I have hedges now which are over 20 feet and full as well!
It provides me with seeds to make perfumed soap! The best hedge and non-invasive.

damaclese · 05-16-2009, 07:25 AM

Not to be the voice of reason or any thing! But Bamboo is a tricky subject here in the USA. Remember guys and gals that for example: Stashis Nigra is band in most of the Continental United states for its invasive nature. Thats just one example. It's just my opinion but i believe that Bamboos are best observed in there native regions and not in my Neighbores back yard growing out of control. By the way your neighbore has ever right to bring litigation against you for the destruction of his property or your Bamboos invasion of his land. Lastly this ones probably hard for you younger people to think about. We all get older. That bamboo is going to be there longer then you are. do you really want to have to be out there trimming it when you are 80 years old?!

momoese · 05-16-2009, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by damaclese

That bamboo is going to be there longer then you are. do you really want to have to be out there trimming it when you are 80 years old?!

That's what gardeners are for!

BTW, when your 30 foot Saba falls on the neighbors fence, car, house roof, etc, etc, you will also be in trouble. When it flowers on their side and the flowers stain their concrete, or the fence, or their house, again your in trouble. I'm sticking by my thought that the right bamboo is better than bananas for a privacy screen.

Scuba_Dave · 05-16-2009, 08:54 PM

My neighbor has some wild bamboo like plant growing - LOTS of it
It grows wild around here - up to about 8-9'
Most empty/vacant areas have it
I've dug down about a foot & put pavers down (fence line) to prevent it growing
I still get some shoots every year
Haven't finished the entire area yet

What is nice to one person is a nuisance to another
I almost consider black eyed susan's a weed - they grow & expand rapidly

momoese · 05-16-2009, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Scuba_Dave

What is nice to one person is a nuisance to another
I almost consider black eyed susan's a weed - they grow & expands rapidlyI

I agree with statement, and that's why I've noted several times in this thread that you need to be responsible when choosing the bamboo and planting it using a root barrier. I have Alphonse Karr growing a foot away from a wood fence for over 4 years now, and never has a shoot come up on the other side.

saltydad · 05-16-2009, 10:25 PM

"A weed is a plant growing in the wrong place"

lorax · 05-17-2009, 12:07 AM

Really? I always thought the weed was the one that was hard to pull up, and the valuable plant just came out of the dirt on the first yank....

Rmplmnz · 05-17-2009, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by momoese

I agree with statement, and that's why I've noted several times in this thread that you need to be responsible when choosing the bamboo and planting it using a root barrier. I have Alphonse Karr growing a foot away from a wood fence for over 4 years now, and never has a shoot come up on the other side.

Everyone has gotten your message, you prefer Bamboo as a barrier over bananas, noted.

Your climate is significantly different than Florida. I seem to recall you are in the Los Angeles area??

Total Seasonal Rainfall (Precipitation)
Los Angeles Civic Center, 1877-2007

Average since 1877 (130 years): 15.04 inches

Total Seasonal Rainfall 1877-Present

Whereas the average rainfall for Stuart, FL is close to 60 inches a year (4 times as much).

Normal Precipitation
(STUART 1 S Weather station, 1.85 miles from Stuart)
Annual Inch 59.53

Stuart Weather | Stuart FL

The extra rainfall causes bamboo to grow at a much faster rate in Florida in comparison to Southern California.

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Originally Posted by momoese

That's what gardeners are for!

BTW, when your 30 foot Saba falls on the neighbors fence, car, house roof, etc, etc, you will also be in trouble. When it flowers on their side and the flowers stain their concrete, or the fence, or their house, again your in trouble. I'm sticking by my thought that the right bamboo is better than bananas for a privacy screen.

Where do 30 foot Sabas grow?

I have had many big Sabas fall w/o damaging a neighbors fencing (what type of fencing is damaged by falling banana plants?) The Bamboo can reach 40 feet and over 200 pounds for one pole.

The quantity of leaves dropping from Bamboo is truckloads annually and is constant. The leaf drop from one Banana bloom every 18 to 24 months is minor.

If you have a gardener that is willing to trim your bamboo he will not do this as part of routine yard maintenance, not to mention the damage he could do to the fencing during the trimming process.

If someone on the the board is interested in learning more about bamboo, following is a nice post from another website:

Introduction to Bamboo

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Originally Posted by MICHAELGRANT

Thank you for the replies. For me, bamboo is not an option, I need to stick with bananas. Which species will provide the most foliage cover? Doesn't need to be sold, just something to break up the big house and their kids looking into my living room.

Anyway, hopefully we have provided Michael with some good recommendations and properly welcomed him to the Banana Board.

musaboru · 05-17-2009, 10:05 AM

Not sure if mentioned already, but if you do go with bamboo, make sure you start with big divisions that show big culms (sometimes these will be cut for repotting). Preferably something 5 gallons or larger. Even though bamboo does grow fast, it will take a while to get established, like 2 or 3 years for a small gallon plant to grow those huge culms. So its better to start with a larger size gallon.

lorax · 05-17-2009, 11:04 AM

OK, back to the original question, from Michael who does NOT want to grow bamboo. You can attach lattice to your boundary fence and grow passionflowers and grapes and other vines up it. This works very very fast for privacy, and then you're not worrying about fruiting into the neighbour's yard or dropping zillions of leaves or having to chop pseudostems.

Scuba_Dave · 05-17-2009, 11:43 AM

I did the lattice route
I have clematis growing, plus honey suckle & kiwi vines
I only did the lattice at 8', but you could go higher

lorax · 05-17-2009, 12:27 PM

Gorgeous Aquilegias!

Scuba_Dave · 05-17-2009, 12:51 PM

Thanks
Sure, make me look that word up

Funny, but when I 1st saw these growing I thought they were weeds
I actually pulled some up & threw them out
Luckily enough were growing to keep growing
I now let things grow until I know what they are

Perhaps lattice on the fence
And some bananas several feet in front until the vines grow in?
Then you could move the bananas

momoese · 05-17-2009, 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rmplmnz

Everyone has gotten your message, you prefer Bamboo as a barrier over bananas, noted.

Your climate is significantly different than Florida. I seem to recall you are in the Los Angeles area??

Total Seasonal Rainfall (Precipitation)
Los Angeles Civic Center, 1877-2007

Average since 1877 (130 years): 15.04 inches

Total Seasonal Rainfall 1877-Present

Whereas the average rainfall for Stuart, FL is close to 60 inches a year (4 times as much).

Normal Precipitation
(STUART 1 S Weather station, 1.85 miles from Stuart)
Annual Inch 59.53

Stuart Weather | Stuart FL

The extra rainfall causes bamboo to grow at a much faster rate in Florida in comparison to Southern California.

Where do 30 foot Sabas grow?

I have had many big Sabas fall w/o damaging a neighbors fencing (what type of fencing is damaged by falling banana plants?) The Bamboo can reach 40 feet and over 200 pounds for one pole.

The quantity of leaves dropping from Bamboo is truckloads annually and is constant. The leaf drop from one Banana bloom every 18 to 24 months is minor.

If you have a gardener that is willing to trim your bamaboo he will not do this as part of routine yard maintenance, not to mention the damage he could do to the fencing during the trimming process.

If someone on the the board is interested in learning more about bamboo, following is a nice post from another website:

Introduction to Bamboo

Anyway, hopefully we have provided Michael with some good recommendations and have properly welcomed him to the Banana Board.

Chris, there have been many people chiming in that don't live in Florida, but thanks for the info and your opinion anyway.

momoese · 05-17-2009, 09:11 PM

For anyone wanting to grow a privacy screen in "Southern California" I'd like to show this.

First picture is a completely overgrown stand of 20-30 foot tall Hawaiian Apple Banana plants. Notice the blue sky and 8' wood fence behind them.

In this picture we have Alphonse Karr clumping Bamboo planted with a very heavy duty root barrier 1 foot away from the same type of wood fence and approximately 15 feet from the Bananas in the other picture. As you can see there is no blue sky or fence showing. Both bananas and bamboo were planted at the same time and I can tell you that my back hurts from trying to maintain the bananas, but I've never once had to do anything to the bamboo. I think the pictures speak for themselves if you want a real privacy screen.

Warning If you live in "Florida" this may not work for you due to your annual rainfall. Please plant Bamboo with caution and respect to your neighbors.

Now please excuse me from recommending anything. I'm done here.

PS: Chris, just how much do you figure a full grown Saba weighs vs a full grown "ALPHONSE KARR" in Florida? Oh and have you Ever grown Alphonse Karr?

Scuba_Dave · 05-17-2009, 09:45 PM

For me I just want partial blocking
Altho we have a business off to one side that has spotlights on all night. Only one shines onto our house = since a big hollow Maple was taken down. Our hot tub is against the house/sunroom corner which gives us privacy (greenhouse is on the 3rd side & lattice)

If you want bananas go for it
I like the look

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