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Old 07-21-2013, 08:55 PM   #1 (permalink)
 
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Hello friends,

I am looking for cold hardy prolific dwarf edible bananas. I already knew some of
them such as texas Star, Cali.Gold, Dwarf Orinoco.

Are there any other bananas to comply with the above conditions?

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Old 07-21-2013, 09:23 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I am looking for cold hardy dwarf edible bananas. I already knew some of
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Are there any other bananas to comply with the above conditions?
asacomm I can pretty much guarantee there is no Texas star banana plant.So don't let anyone try and sell you one
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asacomm I can pretty much guarantee there is no Texas star banana plant.So don't let anyone try and sell you one
Thanks for your coment, but what about my main question?
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Dwarf namwah
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Yep, definitely Dwarf Namwah. Most productive dwarf banana plant I have. Thanks Tony.
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Has anybody ever heard of "Dwarf Monthan/Dhusre"?
If such does exist, it must be super good because Monthan seems to grow
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I've never heard of a dwarf variety of Monthan, but I agree that would be a good one.
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Rajapuri is another. I've heard Dwarf Brazilian is pretty cold hardy but never tested it personally.
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I've got a Super Dwarf Cavendish in flower for the first time, so I can recommend that.

However, I have not heard of any HARDY bananas that are EDIBLE.

You may have to do the same thing I am doing: I planted my banana pup in a 24 inch diameter, plastic, half-whisky-barrel liner. The barrel liner is mounted on casters so I can roll it inside in the fall and back outside the next spring. There may be other varieties that make fruit AND can fit through a door without tilting, but I don't know of any.

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TNAndy, depends what you call hardy. Namwah, Orinoco, and California Gold are all perfectly edible cultivars that can take zone 8, especially if their p-stem is wrapped.
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TNAndy, depends what you call hardy. Namwah, Orinoco, and California Gold are all perfectly edible cultivars that can take zone 8, especially if their p-stem is wrapped.
Greetings from ZONE 6!!! I count myself lucky when all my tropical plants live through the winter inside my sunroom. Yes, I said inside.... My planters are mounted on casters.

It has taken my SDC two years to bloom due to all the wintertime it spent hibernating.
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Raja Puri is great. It's not as productive as Dwarf Namwah, but it's a much smaller and more compact plant.
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TN - would you have a pic of your blooming SDC - how tall is it - I have SDC pups and trying to get some perspective - thanks

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I've got a Super Dwarf Cavendish in flower for the first time, so I can recommend that.

However, I have not heard of any HARDY bananas that are EDIBLE.

You may have to do the same thing I am doing: I planted my banana pup in a 24 inch diameter, plastic, half-whisky-barrel liner. The barrel liner is mounted on casters so I can roll it inside in the fall and back outside the next spring. There may be other varieties that make fruit AND can fit through a door without tilting, but I don't know of any.
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Hardy, edible D. nanas - zone 8b-9a - still require protection in freezes.
D orinoco - also aka Texas Star
D Namwah
RajaPuri
Cali Gold
D Braz
Goldfinger

Cavendish are less hardy than above
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Raja Puri is great. It's not as productive as Dwarf Namwah, but it's a much smaller and more compact plant.
It is a great plant, but I wouldn't describe it as "much" smaller than the others, just a bit smaller, a foot or two on average. It's shortcoming in my limited experience of one bunch from mine is that the fruit tend to have a pithy core and can be a bit "corky", but the flavor is very good and hard to distinguish from Dwarf Brazilian. Not sure if the pithy core and corkiness is normal of if that bunch just had a hard time ripening over winter.
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Hardy, edible D. nanas - zone 8b-9a - still require protection in freezes.
D orinoco - also aka Texas Star
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It's a stretch to call Goldfinger a dwarf. I think technically it is considered a semi-dwarf, but with good conditions they often get 10' of p-stem or more.
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Honestly there are a lot more cold hardy nanners out there than Cavendish types. Rose is one who's more hardy, much shorter, and more reliable to fruit in a quicker time. I believe Sweetheart and Goldfinger are also both hardier. Mysore and Praying Hands, though rather tall, are other ones more cold-tolerant than Cavendish.
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Honestly there are a lot more cold hardy nanners out there than Cavendish types. Rose is one who's more hardy, much shorter, and more reliable to fruit in a quicker time. I believe Sweetheart and Goldfinger are also both hardier. Mysore and Praying Hands, though rather tall, are other ones more cold-tolerant than Cavendish.
It's true that Cavendish are among the least cold hardy bananas, but Rose is not more hardy, nor shorter, nor more reliable. Rose really suffers during the cool months, fruits at 6-9' in my yard, and more often than not, fails to ripen fruit. I really like the look of this plant, but it just doesn't work for reliable fruit production in my climate.

As a general rule of thumb, and there are many exceptions, banana varieties with more A (acuminata) genes are less cool hardy than those with more B (balbisiana) genes. Of the plants I'm growing, the diploid AA varieties (Rose, Veinte Cohol, Pisang Mas) are the least cold tolerant, the triploid AAA varieties (e.g., Dwarf Cavendish, Dwarf Red) are next, the triploid AAB varieties (Dwarf Brazilian, Brazilian, Manzano, Mysore) are next, and the triploid ABB varieties (Namwah, Orinoco, Monthan) are the most cold tolerant. In my yard, the tetraploid AAAB varieties (Goldfinger, FHIA-18, SH-3640) seem to be slightly less cold tolerant that the AAB varieties, and the only AAAA tetraploid I have (FHIA-2, Mona Lisa) is similar to the AAA varieties. When you start making variety by variety comparisons, some of the generalities fall apart a bit, e.g., some of the AAB varieties are essentially as cold tolerant as some ABB varieties; and plantains (AAB) are notoriously sensitive to cold.
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Good to know, most places I read say Rose is somewhat tolerant. Good thing you said this before I decided to move mine to the cooler section of the greenhouse.
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Good to know, most places I read say Rose is somewhat tolerant. Good thing you said this before I decided to move mine to the cooler section of the greenhouse.
I think it's all a question of what it's being compared to. I would say it is more tolerant of cold than Pisang Mas or Veinte Cohol, but less tolerant than probably everything else I grow. If you are growing it for summer foliage, not fruit, it's a very nice, attractive plant. As for fruit, even under good, tropical conditions, the fruit are tiny, averaging about an ounce.
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