Bananas.org

Welcome to the Bananas.org forums.

You're currently viewing our message boards as a guest which gives you limited access to participate in discussions and access our other features such as our wiki and photo gallery. By joining our community, you'll have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload photos, and access many other special features. Registration is fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.

Go Back   Bananas.org > Banana Forum > Main Banana Discussion
Register Photo Gallery Classifieds Wiki Chat Map Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Main Banana Discussion This is where we discuss our banana collections; tips on growing bananas, tips on harvesting bananas, sharing our banana photos and stories.


Members currently in the chatroom: 0
The most chatters online in one day was 17, 09-06-2009.
No one is currently using the chat.

Reply   Email this Page Email this Page
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 04-03-2009, 05:21 PM   #1 (permalink)
Got pink bananas?
 
austinl01's Avatar
 
Location: Little Rock, AR
Zone: 7b/8a Line
Name: Austin
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 1,288
BananaBucks : 137,629
Feedback: 13 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 1,590 Times
Was Thanked 902 Times in 395 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 507 Times
Default Are there any more bananas like Musa basjoo?

Musa basjoo has so much going for it in colder climates. It's a very vigorous banana that starts growing very early in the season and is capable of reaching heights of 18+ feet! Simply amazing in my book. Musa velutina is another banana that starts growing quite early--about the same time as Musa basjoo.

Do you think other bananas (edible or non-edible) will be found in the future that will be as robust and cold hardy as basjoo? Is there any chance an edible banana could be as cold hardy as basjoo but that it hasn't been found yet or maybe not tested in a colder climate?

Musa basjoo
__________________
Austin
Arkansas River Valley

Average January Low: 31F, Average August High: 92F
Extreme Winter Lows: 5-15F, Extreme Summer Highs: 100-112F, Annual Precipitation: 52 inches
austinl01 is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To austinl01
Said thanks:

Join Bananas.org Today!

Are you a banana plant enthusiast? Then we hope you will join the community. You will gain access to post, create threads, private message, upload images, join groups and more.

Bananas.org is owned and operated by fellow banana plant enthusiasts. We strive to offer a non-commercial community to learn and share information. Receive all three issues from Volume 1 of Bananas Magazine with your membership:
   

Join Bananas.org Today! - Click Here


Sponsors

Old 04-03-2009, 05:50 PM   #2 (permalink)
Moderator

 
Gabe15's Avatar
 
Location: Oahu, Hawaii
Zone: 12
Name: Gabe
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 3,877
BananaBucks : 13,293,159
Feedback: 5 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 1 Times
Was Thanked 8,126 Times in 2,182 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 8 Times
Default Re: Are there any more bananas like Musa basjoo?

They are out there, they are just not available for sale at this time.
__________________
Growing bananas in Colorado, Washington, Hawaii since 2004. Commercial banana farmer, 200+ varieties.
Gabe15 is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To Gabe15
Said thanks:
Old 04-03-2009, 05:53 PM   #3 (permalink)
Got pink bananas?
 
austinl01's Avatar
 
Location: Little Rock, AR
Zone: 7b/8a Line
Name: Austin
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 1,288
BananaBucks : 137,629
Feedback: 13 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 1,590 Times
Was Thanked 902 Times in 395 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 507 Times
Default Re: Are there any more bananas like Musa basjoo?

Gabe, what's holding back their release? Are the edible or non-edible varieties?

I could see a cold hardy banana farm in the Mid-South given a super variety!
__________________
Austin
Arkansas River Valley

Average January Low: 31F, Average August High: 92F
Extreme Winter Lows: 5-15F, Extreme Summer Highs: 100-112F, Annual Precipitation: 52 inches
austinl01 is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To austinl01
Said thanks:
Old 04-03-2009, 06:17 PM   #4 (permalink)
Moderator

 
Gabe15's Avatar
 
Location: Oahu, Hawaii
Zone: 12
Name: Gabe
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 3,877
BananaBucks : 13,293,159
Feedback: 5 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 1 Times
Was Thanked 8,126 Times in 2,182 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 8 Times
Default Re: Are there any more bananas like Musa basjoo?

There are so many plants out there, and only a fraction of them are available for sale in nurseries, this is true for all plants not just bananas. It would take collecting missions by people who know what they are looking for (and know a thing or two about bananas), and then they would need to be distributed and propagated. No one is holding anything back, its just that they are way out there in the world and they have not yet been collected, characterized and distributed. Wild bananas in particular are very diverse and new things are found all the time, but only a rather small portion of them are available and in cultivation.
__________________
Growing bananas in Colorado, Washington, Hawaii since 2004. Commercial banana farmer, 200+ varieties.
Gabe15 is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To Gabe15
Old 04-03-2009, 06:47 PM   #5 (permalink)
Got pink bananas?
 
austinl01's Avatar
 
Location: Little Rock, AR
Zone: 7b/8a Line
Name: Austin
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 1,288
BananaBucks : 137,629
Feedback: 13 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 1,590 Times
Was Thanked 902 Times in 395 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 507 Times
Default Re: Are there any more bananas like Musa basjoo?

Gabe, thanks for the info. Do you know who discovered Musa basjoo and put it in cultivation? Are there records like these available?
__________________
Austin
Arkansas River Valley

Average January Low: 31F, Average August High: 92F
Extreme Winter Lows: 5-15F, Extreme Summer Highs: 100-112F, Annual Precipitation: 52 inches
austinl01 is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To austinl01
Sponsors

Old 04-05-2009, 11:36 AM   #6 (permalink)
Bama Banana
 
Bama Banana's Avatar
 
Location: Enterprise, Alabama, United States
Zone: 8a
Name: Bama Banana
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 39
BananaBucks : 31,870
Feedback: 0 / 0%
Said "Thanks" 7 Times
Was Thanked 120 Times in 25 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times
Default Re: Are there any more bananas like Musa basjoo?

Let me just say this: 19.8 degrees this last winter. Other nights at 21 and 22 degrees. My Musa Orinocos received no protection at all. Of course all that were left were psuedostems, but all of them made it. And all of them continued to push leaves - although slower - throughout the entire winter.

And the best part is...as long as the psuedostem remains (stop laughing if you live in Miami), you will most likely get bananas the following summer. And these bananas are GOOD!

I have seen the outer three or four layers of a psuedostem packed with ice, and then the same one go on to make bananas a few months later. Don't underestimate Orinocos.
__________________
More pics on Facebook. Send me a friend request at "facebook.com/joeympowell"
Bama Banana is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To Bama Banana
Old 04-05-2009, 04:17 PM   #7 (permalink)
*********
 
bigdog's Avatar
 
Location: Gainesville, FL
Zone: 8b
Name: Frank
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 1,997
BananaBucks : 651,792
Feedback: 7 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 209 Times
Was Thanked 1,773 Times in 498 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 131 Times
Send a message via AIM to bigdog Send a message via MSN to bigdog
Default Re: Are there any more bananas like Musa basjoo?

As hardy as 'Orinoco' may be, it still doesn't hold a candle to Musa basjoo in a zone 7 climate. My M. basjoo clump is shooting back and has been for a couple of weeks now, and from the previous year's pseudostems. My 'Orinoco clump is still dormant, and I wouldn't be surprised if it is dead this year after this tough winter.

Austin, I am going to officially proclaim M.itinerans var. itinerans just as hardy, if not more so, than M. basjoo! I have pups coming up everywhere, and pseudostems that were completely unprotected and unmulched this past winter are returning (from ground level). This banana is the hardiest banana that I own. I did protect three pseudostems, and they are all growing. One of them, I just put one bag over it and left a big hole in the top. Water got into the bag this winter, and it was a really wet Dec. and Jan. here. I expected it to get into the meristem and rot it out. Looking today at it, it is growing back! Amazing plant.
bigdog is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To bigdog
Old 04-05-2009, 05:58 PM   #8 (permalink)
 
Randy4ut's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 1,387
BananaBucks : 35,130
Feedback: 23 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 1,051 Times
Was Thanked 1,324 Times in 444 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 87 Times
Default Re: Are there any more bananas like Musa basjoo?

BigDog,make sure you have one for me to test!!!! I will be heading your way in another couple of weeks and would love to purchase one from you and try it down here in SE TN!!!
__________________

Randy4ut is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To Randy4ut
Said thanks:
Old 04-05-2009, 06:08 PM   #9 (permalink)
The causasian Asian!
 
Chironex's Avatar
 
Location: Jakarta, Indonesia
Zone: I have no idea
Name: Scot
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 2,788
BananaBucks : 100,868
Feedback: 9 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 4,544 Times
Was Thanked 1,404 Times in 806 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 609 Times
Send a message via MSN to Chironex Send a message via Yahoo to Chironex
Default Re: Are there any more bananas like Musa basjoo?

My M. itinerans var. itinerans has put out 3 pups and made it through winter quite well too. All of the pstem has survived. I just moved the container into my little plastic greenhouse (unheated, just a plastic trash can filled with water as a heat sink)
__________________
Scot


Click for Jakarta, Indonesia Forecast
Chironex is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To Chironex
Said thanks:
Old 04-05-2009, 06:21 PM   #10 (permalink)
Got pink bananas?
 
austinl01's Avatar
 
Location: Little Rock, AR
Zone: 7b/8a Line
Name: Austin
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 1,288
BananaBucks : 137,629
Feedback: 13 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 1,590 Times
Was Thanked 902 Times in 395 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 507 Times
Default Re: Are there any more bananas like Musa basjoo?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Randy4ut View Post
BigDog,make sure you have one for me to test!!!! I will be heading your way in another couple of weeks and would love to purchase one from you and try it down here in SE TN!!!
Me too, Frank! Me too!!!
__________________
Austin
Arkansas River Valley

Average January Low: 31F, Average August High: 92F
Extreme Winter Lows: 5-15F, Extreme Summer Highs: 100-112F, Annual Precipitation: 52 inches
austinl01 is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To austinl01
Old 04-05-2009, 06:36 PM   #11 (permalink)
Northern Grower
 
Sodak's Avatar
 
Location: Black Hills, Dakota Territory
Zone: 5A
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 115
BananaBucks : 31,441
Feedback: 5 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 16 Times
Was Thanked 12 Times in 5 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times
Default Re: Are there any more bananas like Musa basjoo?

Where can Itinerans var. itinerans be bought? Are they available anywhere?

Thanks!
Sodak is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To Sodak
Said thanks:
Old 04-09-2009, 08:48 AM   #12 (permalink)
Minister of Propaganda
 
hydroid's Avatar
 
Location: Gulf Shores, Alabama
Zone: Zone -8b-9a
Name: Bo
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 687
BananaBucks : 95,271
Feedback: 1 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 775 Times
Was Thanked 729 Times in 329 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 45 Times
Default Re: Are there any more bananas like Musa basjoo?

Not for sure what I'm doing wrong but my Orinocos are hardier than the Basjoo's I have. I live in South Alabama on the Gulf Coast (zone 9, I believe) and wonder if the climate might be a little too warm since this is a more cold tolerant cultivar. I did buy a couple of Basjoo's at Lowes last year and this will be their 2nd season in the ground and so far they started putting on leaves before anything else, so I'm optomistic. Usually my 2 year stuff really takes off. It's been a slow start for us here in the South with all the late cold were are having. Hope this helps.
hydroid
hydroid is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To hydroid
Said thanks:
Old 04-09-2009, 12:40 PM   #13 (permalink)
The causasian Asian!
 
Chironex's Avatar
 
Location: Jakarta, Indonesia
Zone: I have no idea
Name: Scot
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 2,788
BananaBucks : 100,868
Feedback: 9 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 4,544 Times
Was Thanked 1,404 Times in 806 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 609 Times
Send a message via MSN to Chironex Send a message via Yahoo to Chironex
Default Re: Are there any more bananas like Musa basjoo?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sodak View Post
Where can Itinerans var. itinerans be bought? Are they available anywhere?

Thanks!
The Banana Tree had them but is presently sold out. Check back with them periodically. Here is the link: http://www.banana-tree.com/Product_Detail~category~17~Product_ID~18962.cfm
__________________
Scot


Click for Jakarta, Indonesia Forecast
Chironex is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To Chironex
Old 04-09-2009, 12:47 PM   #14 (permalink)
The causasian Asian!
 
Chironex's Avatar
 
Location: Jakarta, Indonesia
Zone: I have no idea
Name: Scot
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 2,788
BananaBucks : 100,868
Feedback: 9 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 4,544 Times
Was Thanked 1,404 Times in 806 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 609 Times
Send a message via MSN to Chironex Send a message via Yahoo to Chironex
Default Re: Are there any more bananas like Musa basjoo?

Both Yunnanensis and Itinerans prefer dappled sunlight and shadier overstories. Full sunlight will cause leaf burn. Keep this in mind when plating them.
__________________
Scot


Click for Jakarta, Indonesia Forecast
Chironex is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To Chironex
Old 04-10-2009, 08:13 PM   #15 (permalink)
*********
 
bigdog's Avatar
 
Location: Gainesville, FL
Zone: 8b
Name: Frank
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 1,997
BananaBucks : 651,792
Feedback: 7 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 209 Times
Was Thanked 1,773 Times in 498 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 131 Times
Send a message via AIM to bigdog Send a message via MSN to bigdog
Default Re: Are there any more bananas like Musa basjoo?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chironex View Post
The Banana Tree had them but is presently sold out. Check back with them periodically. Here is the link: http://www.banana-tree.com/Product_Detail~category~17~Product_ID~18962.cfm
I have serious doubts as to whether or not this is the real Musa itinerans, and what they have a picture of is var. xishuangbannaensis. They started selling it at about the same time as M. yunnanensis started becoming available, under the mistaken identity of M. itinerans. Also, judging from their description, I would put money on it that they have M. yunnanensis (bluish, waxy pseudostems).

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chironex View Post
Both Yunnanensis and Itinerans prefer dappled sunlight and shadier overstories. Full sunlight will cause leaf burn. Keep this in mind when plating them.
Not in my climate, but this is probably true for the Deep South and into Florida. Also for hot areas out west, like where you live. They both do fine in full sun here.

Frank
bigdog is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To bigdog
Said thanks:
Old 04-10-2009, 09:22 PM   #16 (permalink)
The causasian Asian!
 
Chironex's Avatar
 
Location: Jakarta, Indonesia
Zone: I have no idea
Name: Scot
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 2,788
BananaBucks : 100,868
Feedback: 9 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 4,544 Times
Was Thanked 1,404 Times in 806 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 609 Times
Send a message via MSN to Chironex Send a message via Yahoo to Chironex
Default Re: Are there any more bananas like Musa basjoo?

Quote:
Originally Posted by bigdog View Post
I have serious doubts as to whether or not this is the real Musa itinerans, and what they have a picture of is var. xishuangbannaensis. They started selling it at about the same time as M. yunnanensis started becoming available, under the mistaken identity of M. itinerans. Also, judging from their description, I would put money on it that they have M. yunnanensis (bluish, waxy pseudostems).



Not in my climate, but this is probably true for the Deep South and into Florida. Also for hot areas out west, like where you live. They both do fine in full sun here.

Frank
I am quoting Tian Zi as well as other Itinerans research sources. I moved mine from full sun in order to keep them from frying. Perhaps your climate is not as intense, but where they are found is in the understory.
__________________
Scot


Click for Jakarta, Indonesia Forecast

Last edited by Chironex : 04-10-2009 at 10:33 PM.
Chironex is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To Chironex
Said thanks:

Join Bananas.org Today!

Are you a banana plant enthusiast? Then we hope you will join the community. You will gain access to post, create threads, private message, upload images, join groups and more.

Bananas.org is owned and operated by fellow banana plant enthusiasts. We strive to offer a non-commercial community to learn and share information. Receive all three issues from Volume 1 of Bananas Magazine with your membership:
   

Join Bananas.org Today! - Click Here


Sponsors

Old 04-10-2009, 10:23 PM   #17 (permalink)
*********
 
bigdog's Avatar
 
Location: Gainesville, FL
Zone: 8b
Name: Frank
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 1,997
BananaBucks : 651,792
Feedback: 7 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 209 Times
Was Thanked 1,773 Times in 498 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 131 Times
Send a message via AIM to bigdog Send a message via MSN to bigdog
Default Re: Are there any more bananas like Musa basjoo?

Oh, I realize that, LOL! They are also found much closer to the equator and at a higher altitude than we are in Knoxville, with more intense sunlight. I'm just sharing my experience with both species here in Knoxville, not trying to contradict you.
bigdog is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To bigdog
Said thanks:
Old 04-10-2009, 11:56 PM   #18 (permalink)
 
Location: Rancho Mirage, CA & Big Pine Key, FL
Zone: 10a
Name: Michael Norell
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 21
BananaBucks : 11,232
Feedback: 0 / 0%
Said "Thanks" 0 Times
Was Thanked 13 Times in 5 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times
Default Re: Are there any more bananas like Musa basjoo?

I'm in zone 9a, and have only experienced a low of 23F over the last five years...but I can say that of all my banana species and cultivars, the first to push other than basjoo is Musa mannii. It is very vigorous and that's a great thing especially since its dwarf size makes it a very valuable addition to the landscape. My clump already looks nice and pretty full and it's only 10 April. 'Red Ruby' is also looking nice as is velutina, but neither are as developed as mannii. 'Helen's Hybrid' also is looking good and growing fast already. But it is unusual in that its outer sheaths became very slimy while the core was firm and growing...Unfortunately I often find the opposite to be true!

The banana that has shown great stem-hardiness on a par with basjoo (and better than 'Orinoco') is 'Belle.' This is a fantastic cultivar. Never have I lost a stem and a small keiki I planted in June 2007 was flowering a year or so later at 12-14' tall, in July 2008. It takes some time to ripen (four months), but it is very easy to overwinter the pseudostems. 'Dwarf Namwah' and 'Rajapuri' also have held their stems well, the former throwing leaves very quickly now. I will usually lose a few 'Orinoco' stems around my property, and always seem to lose large trunks of 'Goldfinger,' 'Brazilian,' 'Dwarf Brazilian,' 'Thousand Fingers,' etc. But 'Belle' is an absolutely amazing thing. Grows huge very quickly and produces large bunches of fruit with no coaxing in my climate. On the other end of the scale, M. laterita and M. siamensis are very slow to start back into growth (usually just about now here in southwest Mississippi). Even M. coccinea starts back into growth early by comparison with these two slow-pokes.
mnorell is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To mnorell
Old 04-11-2009, 09:15 AM   #19 (permalink)
TANTALIZING TROPICALS
 
just j's Avatar
 
Location: shawano wisconsin
Zone: 4-5
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 471
BananaBucks : 56,219
Feedback: 2 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 252 Times
Was Thanked 129 Times in 91 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 71 Times
Send a message via MSN to just j
Default Re: Are there any more bananas like Musa basjoo?

hey frank any life on the african red matt u left outside mine didnt make it in the basement wondering how yours did outside
just j is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To just j
Reply   Email this Page Email this Page

Previous Thread: Adopt-A-Wiki
Next Thread: My fruit won't rippen??





Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:56 AM.





All content © Bananas.org & the respective author.