aroidgrower

I thought I would share some of the odd forms of Siam Ruby I have been finding out of the few hundered maybe thousand I have grown out.

The first photo shows the most common and oraginal form.

The second photo shows the odd lime yellow form I found around 40 out of all the forms I have grown
The third photo shows the variegated red and yellow form I found around 15 out of all the forms I have grown
The forth form is a odd one with streaks of red on a lime leaf I found two like this out of all I have grown
The last form is a almost pure red form. I have only found one like this out of all the ones I have been growing

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Randy4ut

Wow, Aroidgrower,
Thanks so much for sharing the great pics!!!! All are beautiful, but I especially love the one in photo #3... Would love to have one like that if I stayed that way... I am one of the ones that is holding out til later... Can't afford one of those babies right now... Again, thanks for sharing....

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momoese

I really like the 3rd one! If you have any to sell I'd be interested.

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Mitchel

Greenie

cool!

Steve in France

A few stunners there Brian , be good to collect them all . I've a suspect for those of us with plants that Red Spider Mite is going to love them come inside storage for the Winter, do you have a product you recommend for greenhouse/indoor growers ?
Later
Steve

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JoeS475

Will pups of the #3 plant look the same way as the parent? or will they revert back to the regular Siam Ruby form? #3 would be a great seller if it can be reproduced reliably. I'd sure get one!

Great pictures Brian, thank you for all of your hard work over the past several months!!

~Joe

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MediaHound

Beautiful!
Mine is like the first one.

Kylie2x

Looks like we all agree on that 3rd pic...LOL Mine seems to be a solid red...
Kylie
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aroidgrower

In a way I am glad their are some differences it give a little more interest to it. But it has caused a lot of headachs when shipping them out and people getting green ones instead.

I have grown all forms to 1 to 2 feet tall and I am not completely sure if they will stay but I have yet to see any revert back to regular form. I am guessing some can sport off at the base as well.

That red form is probably the hardest to find.

Kylie2x

I could not be happier with the plant I recieved!!!!!!! Thanks again to everyone involved.....Kylie

barna

I am really jealous of all of you having such a nice colored banana.

The form 1 and 3 and of course de RED one are in my opinion the nicest.

Kylie2x yours is really nice ¡¡

BTW does somebody from this side of the Atlantic (EU) have got any of this incredible beautiful bananas?

Although I have not ordered it, thank you Brian for bringing to the banana's community such incredible plants ¡¡¡

I know it is probably to early to know it, but is there any experience regarding it cold hardiness?

AnnaJW

They sure are beautiful!

Wow, Kylie! Yours is doing great!

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Kylie2x

THANKS!!!
BUT!!!! I still go out everyday and look for that " PUP" that I don't have.... OCD!!!!!!!!!
Yep!! LOL...
Kylie

NANAMAN

Wow Kylie, that plant is beautiful!

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Greenie

Kylie,Very Nice!

Kylie2x

WOO HOO!!!!
I have a pup...it is ittybitty but I guess I have brow beat the dang thing into submission....LOL
Kylie

Pithy_Cherub

Beauties all, Brian!

Question:

I have, so far, Ruby Forms #1 & #2 - not sure yet what form #3 is going to end up. With the range that I've ended up being lucky enough to get, wouldn't it be more likely that the stragglers that came up are (delayed?) clone seedlings? If not, then pups are sure to be an endless source of entertainment - since each has been so different from the original received (form #1). This has been the coolest buy I've been involved in for a long time, as well as the most interesting to follow up on!

I'm befuddled (not hard to do, btw!).

Diana
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Kylie2x

Does this mean that the pup coming up could be something different than the mother plant??? It is small and green....
Kylie

Pithy_Cherub

That's what I'm trying to figure out, Kylie.

I'm trying to borrow a camera this weekend to get some detail pics up ... maybe that would help to show what I'm asking about. So far, I've got the original Siam & 2 pups (or ?}. One of the small ones is big enough to say w/surety it's a greenie. The other small pup is a red, but w/the green stripes. It's the smallest, & still might not be showing it's final form though.

If they are pups, I'd leave them w/the original to get the corm/growth. I'm just not sure if that's the best option if they turn out to be separate (delayed) clones? If that were to be the case, I'd think that separating them while small enough to differentiate the root systems from each other would be better?

I dunno - ideas, opinions, experience would be most welcomed here!

I'm trying to get hold of a cousin that is in No.Cal. & has done a lotta cloning, albeit with carnivorous plants. Hopefully Craig can shed some light on clone development, & whether clones can have a lag rate. I hope!

Diana

aroidgrower

Their is a good chance what you have around the base are different clones of Siam Ruby. The reason for this was the first batch or two were pushed pretty hard and fast. They told me when they shipped it to me that most had a few plants in each cell tray. In some cases their were 8 or so plants in one small cell growing in a clump. Most the ones I shipped out had a pup and most after growing them out have shown to be different forms. I think most forms will be true to what you see after they get a few feet tall. They may throw out these other odd forms like I have found but it will most likely be years before most bananas will if ever produce them.

With TC you get around 100 to a few 1000 years of propagation in one season so what forms you may have hand selected out if you were propagating them by cuttings you see in just one years time. I remember they had produced a caladium Thailand Beauty. One nursery was getting thousands of plants and it seems they were be propagated hard by the TC lab. Their were tons of odd forms they had pulled that looked nothing like the original plant.
I am not sure what they call this process or problem. If you TC the same plant over and over and over you get some copys that dont look much like the mother plant. Then again you also get mutations in plants much like you see if you propagate something over and over again you will find some odd mutated forms that don't match the original plant.