caliboy1994

It's right next to my two healthiest plants, Ice Cream and an unidentified with two pups on it. The newest leaf is almost done emerging, and there are not many streaks on it but there are chlorotic areas and brown, dry patches. It would probably be best for me to get rid of it, but I'll wait a little bit longer. It's still growing pretty vigorously.

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caliboy1994

If I were to get rid of my Mysore, should I go with Pisang Klotek or Pisang Ceylon?

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momoese

Whichever you can get! lol

Kostas

Go with both and if you are not too dishearted,try Mysore again too I know i will...
I think that once you have Mysore established in the ground for good,the chances are low that BSV will be awaken and start expressing itself and disease symptoms appear. BSV usually awakes following stress yet there are healthy mats in various gardens that are many years old and have seen many winters and other possible stressors...


If you want,post clear pictures of the new leafs of your Mysore and the patterns and post a few leaf underside pictures opposite with the leaf lighted from the sun above to reveal the patterns.

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venturabananas

I agree with Mitchel, whichever one you can get. And why not both?

One consideration is height. Pisang Ceylon is described as getting taller than Pisang Klotek, but I don't know if that would be true if they were grown in exactly the same environment. Pitangadiego should know. I'll know eventually, but mine aren't yet at full height.

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caliboy1994

I've seen Mitchel's pictures of Pisang Klotek, and they appear to be pretty stout. Whichever one will stand up better to the high winds we get here will be my choice. I'd hate to lose a bunch of fruit to winds!

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Kostas

Andreas,post some pictures of your Mysore before deciding what to do,your previous pictures are really not clear enough to call it BSV with 100% certainty. As i told you,we need more and better photos before calling it for certain! Dont doom it before you post them and hear from us!

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caliboy1994

I'll get some better pictures up of my Mysore soon. Unfortunately, my camera isn't that great, so it's hard to get high quality shots.

Now, there are some black streaks on an emerging leaf on my Ice Cream. The leaf is also thinner than usual. Is this BSV? Or does it just need to be fertilized or something? All of the previous leaves on my Ice Cream are healthy.

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Kostas

This is not BSV,thats for certain. I would guess its nutritional,possibly Ca. A well balanced fertilizer should fix that within a few weeks,if nutritional.

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caliboy1994

I just gave them all a good dose of fertilizer today. Hopefully that will fix it and give them another boost in growth. And good news, I just noticed that my Ice Cream is putting out its first pup!

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caliboy1994

The water pups that have been coming up from my Ice Cream have developed the same dry patches that my Mysore has. Is this a sign that BSV has spread to my Ice Cream? The dry patches are there already as the leaf is emerging. Besides that, the entire plant is very healthy and growing vigorously.

Here are the dry spots on a Mysore cigar leaf (sorry for the bad picture, lighting conditions weren't that great)



Here are the dry spots on an cigar leaf on an Ice Cream pup



The dry spots on one of the pups leaves have shriveled up and left holes



And here are the two plants growing side by side; Ice Cream on left and Mysore on right

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Kostas

Unless these patches have been a result of rubbing with something on their way out,this is mineral deficiency,Ca if I remember correctly. A well balanced fertilizer should fix it. It also tends to fix by itself in well rooted plants. Do you maybe overwater? I find it difficult to believe your clay soil is missing basic nutrients. I mostly get this defficiency when establishing pups,on their first few leafs and then it fixes itself. I have mostly connected it with small root systems,overwatering anda bit of rot so watch your watering.
'Ice Cream' and the Pisang Awak cultivars many Ice Cream plants end up being,are ABB and thus cannot get BSV.

When you can,post good pictures of all patterned areas found on your Mysore's leafs to see what's going on with it.

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caliboy1994

Okay, I will. Thank you

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venturabananas

Yes, like Kostas says, it has to do with nutrition. I get similar symptoms regularly. In my case, it appears that the problem is Boron deficiency, which is exacerbated by adding Calcium and fertilizing. My suggestion is that you DON'T fertilize at this point. In my experience, that only makes these symptoms worse. Try a foliar spray of micronutrients. Have a soil test done -- it should help you identify the actual deficiency.

The two classic causes of these symptoms are Calcium deficiency and Boron deficiency. The symptoms are very similar and hard to distinguish. And, unfortunately, if you guess wrong about which deficiency you have, adding the wrong nutrient exacerbates the real deficiency.

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momoese

What Mark said. Over fertilizing can prevent the plant from up taking certain nutrients.

Big Tony is having the same issue with some of his plants and also having issues with the cigar leaves curving (like your mysore) and not opening which I attribute to over feeding. He's going to back off the monthly feeding and see what happens.

caliboy1994

I got a bunch of pictures of my Mysore today. Unfortunately, I couldn't get a good shot of the entire plant because of the lighting conditions. The patterning seems to be going away on the newer leaves.

















What's odd is that the petioles on the original p-stem were closed while the ones on this new one are open.

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caliboy1994

I checked the ingredients on the fertilizer I'm using, and it contains boron but no calcium. Therefore I think that I'm probably dealing with calcium deficiency. What should I do about it?

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venturabananas

That's not really the way to figure it out. By your logic, my problem would be calcium deficiency, given that I use fert with boron in it, but my plants are clearly boron deficient. You need to have your soil tested professionally. It is rare for our So Cal soils to be deficient in Calcium. Send a soil sample to A&L Western Labs.

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