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I have this Caligold pup I got from Big Tony (BigBananaBoy), and it's doing great in its pot. But I need to get it in the ground. Here is the pup:



And here is the hole in the ground:



Here's my dilemma. Firstly, it goes down almost a foot and a half before it hits sprinkler pipes. Because of this, I'm not sure if the corm will have enough room to grow. Secondly, there are other plants in the area. I had a Raja Puri planted here previously, and its roots got choked out by those of other plants in the vicinity, and it didn't grow properly (creeping fig was the main culprit, I believe). This is a great spot in terms of sun exposure though, it receives more sun than most other viable parts in my yard. It also receives a decent amount of wind protection, although that's not much of a concern because Caligold is a dwarf. What should I do?
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I see you broke the water line .Hop-e that's not 110v running on top of you sprinkler pipes
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Haha! you got alota conduit an plumbing right there! Yeah if ya plant anything right there it shouldn't be directly over the top! Any pro gonna tell you fill it up with dirt and maintain the area with something temporary/ easily to be removed. I'd keep it in a BIG pot right there if I was you; must be right beside your house?
That kinda stuff is annoying! I have 2 phone lines, 30 cat cable, 1 coaxial, 4 main power branches, 2 waste, 3 water, lines, lines, everywhere in my yard! I need to cut a tree down before it gets my main water. . . Roots are gonna get you eventually! the other day my neighbor parked in his yard and caused a leak that is gonna cost him hundreds probably!
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I see you broke the water line .Hop-e that's not 110v running on top of you sprinkler pipes
I did break the pipe when I was digging with an iron digging bar. My soil is really tough, and a shovel just doesn't cut it. Turned out it was the waterfall pipe for the pool, and I was lucky because of this. Water didn't come gushing out, it only began to leak.

I could very well put it in another spot, I do have a spot just behind it that receives a bit less sun but has less plants that will bother it.
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Yikes. I wouldn't plant anything water-hungry anywhere near any sort of water-based piping, whether it be sprinkler, septic, plumbing, etc.

If I were you, which I'm personally doing anyway, I'd keep it in a bigger pot if there were no other in-ground choices. I've got a Cali-Gold from Tony as well, and mine's in a very, very big pot. Happy fella so far.
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Agree with Illia--don't plant near pipes!
Things happen. People dig and pull and use iron bars ;-)

Big pot or different location recommended.
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Oh well, here it goes: I disagree with most that was said previously. I'd stick the banana right
there in that hole as far removed from the white PVC water pipe, as the hole will allow you, or
extent it a bit - and leave it there. If you are one of the people who dig their bananas out
every fall, then that is a different story. One caveat, though, I do not know, what is in the
grey pipes, but even if they are water bearing, they look well sealed.

It is true, that you should not plant some trees, especially water seeking willows and poplars
close to sanitary and storm sewer pipes as well as drainage pipes, because typically the used
to leak and thus invite the roots to invade, but late sewer installations (30 years and younger)
are usually well sealed. Drainage pipes demand separation. Water pipes have shut out the
roots for almost a century now.

There seems to be a regulator valve in the PVC line (lets high pressure through, but shuts
off slow low pressure flow). You might want to access that again. I would cover that it with
a piece of plastic sheeting before backfilling it with sand and peat moss mixed into the hard,
native soil. Compost will also help. It makes access easier later on and the banana will also
thank you for it. I would not worry about room for the corm, it will find some.

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Thanks a lot. Now the question is over what happened last time I had something planted there. It was in a similar spot about 3 feet away, and the roots from grass, creeping fig, and other plants invaded the soil and choked out the banana plant. Is there any way to prevent that from happening again? I can get pictures of the area and of the different plants that are growing there. In the immediate area is a hedge of some sort, a Pandorea, creeping fig, lawn grass, and a variegated woody shrub (I think it's a Euonymus). The creeping fig seemed to do the most damage in terms of root invasion, and I don't think it's feasible to remove it.
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Oh well, here it goes: I disagree with most that was said previously. I'd stick the banana right
there in that hole as far removed from the white PVC water pipe, as the hole will allow you, or
extent it a bit - and leave it there. If you are one of the people who dig their bananas out
every fall, then that is a different story. One caveat, though, I do not know, what is in the
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thank you for it. I would not worry about room for the corm, it will find some.

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That isn't a pressure regulator it's a repair coupling. It is the other way around it reduces pressure. Lets lower pressure through .
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That isn't a pressure regulator it's a repair coupling. It is the other way around it reduces pressure. Lets lower pressure through .
The pressure in that pipe was very low to start with anyways because it was for the pool rather than the sprinkler, and the pool wasn't on at the moment.
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Dig ya out a hole big enough for much more than roots will require, and use and old tarp or blanket (not plastic) something that allows sum drainage, in the bottom of the hole and around the sides. Won't keep out all roots but I know it will slow 'em down alot. Or wood I've used that in the past. Line the hole with plywood. My advice Good luck.
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The pressure in that pipe was very low to start with anyways because it was for the pool rather than the sprinkler, and the pool wasn't on at the moment.
Don't worry someone confused a spring check valve with a pressure regulator but is actually just a repair coupling.
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Sorry, I was wrong about the "regulator" (spring check valve, thank you Tony). The
one I described and misidentified from memory is the top one in the picture





I do not know, what that is, in the picture, but you do not need a repair coupling for
small dia PVC pipe two ordinary couplings and a piece of pipe or, as shown here, a
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I do not know, what that is, in the picture, but you do not need a repair coupling for
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they are needed.



Olafhenny believe me it is a telescoping type repair coupling. It is used in tight places were you do not have the room or you do not want to make room to make the repair with regular couplings. This way you do not have to bow the pipe to get it into the coupling.
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Hummm....A pecan tree would most likely be more suitable for that spot..

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I'm not sure if my area gets enough winter chill for that.
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