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Old 04-07-2008, 08:26 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Okay, I'm very confused now. I have Dwarf Cavendish and know it's seedless, so how in the world am I online finding people selling seeds for a seedless variety. I'm also finding seeds of other seedless varieties. Are these being cross polinated with seeded varieties somehow to enduce the female flowers to produce seeds of these species? Wouldn't this in effect make the "seedless" varieties (born from seed) produce seeded bananas as well? Could someone post an explination and/or the process of this?

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Old 04-07-2008, 08:38 AM   #2 (permalink)
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well i guess it just like the guy on there who was sell ae ae seeds. if you dont know or dont have a great forum to ask people, you dont know if a nana has seeds. and most people will buy somthing like that because they dont think they are gonna get ripped off. before i joined here, i never knew nanas had seeds. heck i only thought there was one kind of nana. now i have this smart @#$% in my spanish class thats telling everyone that the origional nanas were all wipped out and they can never ever grow that kind of nana ever again. i told him people are still growing that specific kind of nana, its just not used for shipping. he said i can talk about this all day, and they were all wipped out. so you have stubborn people, you have people who take other peoples word for things, and then you have people "who know everything there is to know about nanas" and the closet they have been to a nana tree is when their picking out there nanas at the grocery store. a lot(not all) people who sell on those forums are just out to make a buck and dont care how they do it.
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Old 04-07-2008, 10:51 AM   #3 (permalink)
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well i guess it just like the guy on there who was sell ae ae seeds. if you dont know or dont have a great forum to ask people, you dont know if a nana has seeds. and most people will buy somthing like that because they dont think they are gonna get ripped off. before i joined here, i never knew nanas had seeds. heck i only thought there was one kind of nana. now i have this smart @#$% in my spanish class thats telling everyone that the origional nanas were all wipped out and they can never ever grow that kind of nana ever again. i told him people are still growing that specific kind of nana, its just not used for shipping. he said i can talk about this all day, and they were all wipped out. so you have stubborn people, you have people who take other peoples word for things, and then you have people "who know everything there is to know about nanas" and the closet they have been to a nana tree is when their picking out there nanas at the grocery store. a lot(not all) people who sell on those forums are just out to make a buck and dont care how they do it.
Actually Sam, I think there might be a way to get a seedless banana to produce seed. I swear I saw something about it on here once, but couldn't find it again. I am also puzzled because it's a LOT of different sources that are selling these seeds, including ones that have been listed here as very reliable sources to purchase from, so it's making me wonder... and very curious if it is possible if they can produce the variety they're suppose to the way it is suppose to be, seedless... or does say the process of cross pollination (if that's how it's done) ruin it forever and make it a seeded variety.

Sorry to hear about your classmate *#%! that wont believe you. Tell him to come here and LOOK IT UP like a true "ejumakatd" person would!
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Been wondering about couple of them for sale myself.
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nope i wont invite HIM here. he would call everyone on here a liar. so better not. ive just learned to ignore stupidity. LOL!
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Default Re: Seeds being sold for seedless Bananas?

My humble opinion: The genus musa is a plant taxonomists' worst nightmare, depending on how you look at it. To be qualified to sell Musa-seeds, it would require special interest and competence in the individual offering the seeds. I don't think names such as "Musa Ensete" or "Super cold hardy snow-banana, Musa Glauca" is good enough.

I have seen so many examples of misnaming seeds and plants on internet stores (sometimes on purpose such as "ae-ae"), and don't even get me started on e-bay.

The general culture on online seed-stores seems to be "Give the seeds a name first, ask what it really is later". The whole story with "trachycarpus takil" is a perfect example of this. Now it turns out this palm sold as "takil" is really something completely different. True takil probably doesn't even exist in cultivation yet, except for a very few cases. Sadly, many vendors are still selling "4 year old Trachycarpus takil".

Still, there are quite a few online stores that are very good sources, and show genuine interest in both botany and customers.

But again, I urge anyone to atleast check around.

JPFLOORS; When seeds are offered for landraces such as Dwarf Cavendish, then it's certainly 100% bulls**t. I don't think it's allways done on purpose, but is because of a misunderstanding.
Most likely, the banana you see offered for sale is "Musa acuminata", wich is a wild, seeded and very variable banana. This is in no way the same as "Dwarf Cavendish".
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Thanks Erland, that answers my question very well!!! Now let me ask you this because I do know that seed germination interest you very much it seems.. what source do you use?
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To cover the question of whether edible bananas can produce the seeds, the answer is yes, but will many exceptions. Only certain varieties will set seed, and these seeds will produce plants completely different from the mother. They are difficult to germinate and often require many attempts. The purpose is entirely for breeding. Propagation of edible bananas by seed would be extraordinarily time consuming, expensive and ineffective as you would not be able to produce varieties true from seed.
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Sam, a friend of mine at work had a sign on her locker in the break room which I love, It states, simply enough, "Never argue with an IDIOT, as they will drag you down and beat you with Experience" She has since retired this year, and is an avid gardner, Very wise Woman,
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Seeds for seedless banana would not be produced in a large quantity enough
to be sold on commercial bases, and they are mainly used for crossbreeding.
So almost of what they sell should be considered "seeds for seedy banana"
and not for seedless banana.
The reason is that it is far easier to sell suckers/pups of seedless banana
than to sell "seeds for seedless banana".
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