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Old 09-06-2017, 01:19 PM   #1 (permalink)
 
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Very interesting, I would definitely think about getting one if/when they become available, but also seems simple enough perhaps I could get something similar made locally.
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I never found issue with removing suckers to think of another tool. I use a sharpened heavy stone shovel and it gets the job done smoothly.
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I found selling here......

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I never found issue with removing suckers to think of another tool. I use a sharpened heavy stone shovel and it gets the job done smoothly.
This tool isn't for removing suckers for transplanting, but rather just killing suckers for mat pruning/management. It becomes a very time and labor intensive process in commercial plantings, and is not always easy to successfully stop it from regrowing after pruning attempts.
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This tool isn't for removing suckers for transplanting, but rather just killing suckers for mat pruning/management. It becomes a very time and labor intensive process in commercial plantings, and is not always easy to successfully stop it from regrowing after pruning attempts.
Makes more sense
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Sorry ... I don't see how drilling a hole though the corm is helpful in removing it from the mother corm. ... My shape shovel or heavy wrecking bar will do the job nicely.
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Sorry ... I don't see how drilling a hole though the corm is helpful in removing it from the mother corm. ... My shape shovel or heavy wrecking bar will do the job nicely.
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See my reply above.
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See my reply above.

yea ... I saw it after I posted. I had read the thread a few hour before, then when I came back made my post before catching up.

I though the big plantations sold the pups, and/or replanted them to replace/renew dead plants & areas.
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Bit about bits ... we use that tip in building to run electric wires thru the studs, generally called a "speed bit" as they go fast and pull themselves. We break them by hitting hidden nails ... in the banana patch rocks would probably dull or break sometimes. It looks like they designed the tool to have the bit be replaceable.

Someone with good knowledge of banana keiki anatomy should test the bit size and length that would be best. (These tools are roughly sold by weight of the steel, and most of us would wince at the price of a good long strong bit.) And which angle to drill into the parent plant, how far, etc. And if using a drill extension to get the length, how robust does that need to be, and how sturdy does the connection have to be to pull the bit back out - could one get by with just a magnetic extension?
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I though the big plantations sold the pups, and/or replanted them to replace/renew dead plants & areas.
The majority of commercial farms replant using tissue cultured plants, suckers are not as common as you would think, and especially not on large farms. Even if they were to be using suckers, there is usually always more that needs to be pruned than would be useful for replanting.
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They work great. I made some a long time ago using #5 rebar. Mine basically looks like a hand powered drill with the bit end hammered flat. That looks like it does the damage on the way in while mine does the damage on the way out.

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In the Caribbean there's always a surplus of pups on a farm and tissue cultures can't compete with the prices. People only buy pups when they are starting so that market is tiny and here pups are $0.30 each in RD they're about a nickel.
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They work great. I made some a long time ago using #5 rebar. Mine basically looks like a hand powered drill with the bit end hammered flat. That looks like it does the damage on the way in while mine does the damage on the way out.
if you know how to temper the rebar just right it will last a long time.

you and yours are ok in your direction? I hope

your map says Greenland. hope it missed you.
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your map says Greenland. hope it missed you.
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I was looking for Islaverde but settled on Greenland.

With hurricanes anything a little to the north is considered a miss.

While to the south is terrible.

It went north.

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That looks like it does the damage on the way in while mine does the damage on the way out.
JIC somebody makes one.

I don't spin it going in, I'm more concerned with accuracy and depth first. I'll spin it while I'm pulling it out.

This is done on small pups if you do it on large pups you will be compounding your problem.

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I was looking for Islaverde but settled on Greenland.

With hurricanes anything a little to the north is considered a miss.

While to the south is terrible.

It went north.
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A 5" wide trench shovel with a metal blade works great for me for pups less than knee high.
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... here pups are $0.30 each in RD they're about a nickel.
Thank you for explaining your business model.
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