JodoGarden

I took a pup from my DC about 6 weeks ago. It wasn't my best work because I only got a few roots and a smaller slice of the corm. I decided to plant it anyway. It was probably too small of a pup to cut off... about 18 inches tall. I have read that 4 feet is preferable, but I have taken other smaller pups with success. Well, the pup did not take regardless of all the attention I gave it... see photo. It is now all brown. The photo shows a little bit of green left, that was two weeks ago. I pulled it up yesterday and the roots were still alive. The thing is... the corm has produced a shoot. I am wondering why the actual pup died off if that small section of corm still has enough energy to produce a shoot from the growth point, why did the vegetative part (pup) die off? Not enough roots to sustain leaves? Thoughts? I'll try to get a pic of the corm with sprout tomorrow if needed.

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Abnshrek

Looks good to me.. My whole yard looked like that.. lol On the serious side.. Its insulation for a frost if you get one.. The roots need to get established before you see any growth. :^)

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JodoGarden

Yeah, but the p-stem is mush... there hasn't been a frost yet. Usually don't get them until January. My other pups that rooted up are still growing. This one had no additional root growth after I planted it. The entire above ground portion died back, but the corm pushed a sprout. I'm just wondering why the corm didn't put it's energy into the existing pup.

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amantedelenguaje

When I separate DC pups, I sometimes get the same result. Many times the leaves seem to stop growing and even begin to decay; however, when I pull off the decaying leaves back towards the meristem, there is often a little green leaf or leaves trying to form. Maybe the plant is drawing energy from the leaves until it can establish roots, start providing itself with nutrients, and make energy via photosynthesis. Perhaps it just does not appreciate the disruption. Additionally, I have to be careful not to over water the pups, as this rots the corm.

These are some pups DC pups that I removed around September 2012. They were much bigger, but now they are just little nubs. I had to peel back the dead leaves. In the one picture, you can still see the remnants of the dead foliage.

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JodoGarden

Interesting that it tends to be a DC thing. I haven't had this happen with any previous pups, so I wanted to isolate the issue and try to not to do that again. Maybe it will happen regardless. This pup was one that had narrow leaves. I have read that the narrow leaf pups make better candidates for division b/c they have been well fed by the mother plant and their corm potions are loaded with nutrient. So, I was surprised that this pup declined after separating it.

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caliboy1994

It happened to a pup that I pulled off of my Namwah as well.

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Abnshrek

I believe I had it happen to DB when that was chopped for shipment. I never had a DC that didn't grow. I had Namwah do that once. :^)

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PR-Giants

You need to be more careful and observant to what you are doing.

If the leaves die and the top becomes soft, you need to trim it back.

It's difficult for a new leaf to push it's way through the rot, and being that

is was a sword sucker, pushing through the side of the leaf sheaths is also difficult.

Remove the dead pseudostem and split it, maybe you will find your answer.

This is a photo of a bud that could not push it's way through the pseudostem,

you can clearly see the spiraled peduncle.

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JodoGarden

Yeah.. I do need to be more careful. I need to get a better tool for division. I cut it back today and discovered the problem. The corm was too thin at the base of the plant. It had rotted a little bit because of the way I cut the corm... too close to the growth point and you could actually see inside of the p-stem like a tube... not good. There was some active growth inside of the p-stem, but it looked like it would have died back further b/c it was black at the top. There is a new shoot on another part of the corm though.

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oakshadows

Experience is expensive but necessary. Good growing.

edzone9

If The Roots & PS Is Not 100% Rotted , Pull It Out From The Solil , & Place The Roots In a 5 Gallon Bucket with with water add 3 Drops Of Super Thrive & Leave it there for 30 Mins, Than Plant It With Good Potting Soil In A Pot Untill It Recovers .

Works for me all the time & I am a total Newbie to this Hobby.

I also use a 12in Saw that i use to separate Pups , it cuts like Butta & causes no trauma To The Mother & Pup Plant .

Good Luck Bro !

JodoGarden

The corm has a sprout, so I'm going to try potting it up. If it dies... no big loss. Had it been Ae'e Ae'e I would be crying

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