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Old 05-21-2007, 03:33 PM   #261 (permalink)
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Looks like it maybe a green one
here is mine , I cut the old leaves as they were damaged and finished. Two leaves at the moment plus a roller coming fast. Now the Temps here in Bethesda are starting to go up Siam Red is growing much faster.



I'm sure we all see a lot of differnt forms from this tissue culture batch and in future can trade forms .

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Old 05-21-2007, 04:20 PM   #262 (permalink)
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Sorry to be so slow on replys its that time of the year here.

I have seen some green sports out ot TC and I will replace any of them with red forms. The one you have pictured above does look to be a green one. It seems to happen out of a few in each tray. I am not yet sure on the numbers of it happening.

I have not really fertilized the smaller plants once they grow out a bit I am putting time release fertilizer on them. All are potted up in pro mix. I have had some really nice leaves sense they have been in the sun it is not a super fast banana but it does move much like zebrina.

If you have any problems like a green form let me know. I will do my best to fix the problem. THANKS
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Mine still looks about like Bgreens. Weather has been pretty windy and strong storms so it's been indoors much of the time. Just now starting to give it full sun. Looking good though. Nice pics!
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Old 05-21-2007, 05:02 PM   #265 (permalink)
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Default Re: Post ONLY if getting "Siam Red" from Agri-Starts

Here's the latest pictures, at 5 1/2 wks. I decided to use this thread to document the color change, mostly because the plant arrived totally green and after seeing pictures of more mature plants, I knew it would be exciting to watch the progression. But I was surprised to see it change so rapidly! I potted it up in 1/2 potting soil, 1/2 compost, with added perlite. It has been in direct sun since day one, and for the first 3 wks. or so I gave it additional light,(compact fluorescent full spectrum), for a total of 16 hrs. day. If you look back in the thread, it was getting color in the 1st. wk.

Terry, if it was going to produce some color, I think it would have by now! I know Brian already replied so that point is moot. Good luck to all who are growing this plant, and Please... post more pictures!



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Looking great , Oh to live in Florida where all grows fast
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Here's mine now with some leaf burn. I guess I tried to set it out a little to fast. It has added 3 leaves since the last pic and adding another so it is growing very fast, but still all green.

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Default Re: Post ONLY if getting "Siam Red" from Agri-Starts

Mine stayed bright lime green in the greenhouse, so I brought it home and exposed it to part sun. It has been outside for a couple of weeks now, and the new leaves are still a bright lime green like Terry's. The older leaves started looking like they were changing color...but upon closer inspection, it looks like a bit of a sunburn. The color has been a bit off on my camera on some pics recently. Something about the white balance I think. Check it out:



This looks like sunburn to me:

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Some pics of my Siam Ruby for comparison:











Interesting squiggly green lines, eh? Really makes you wonder...

Anyway, the plant has been out in full sun for about three weeks and once the lime green leaves turned red, now the new leaves are also red.
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Mine is growing nicely but still all green.

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You green guys send me a email with a photo of your plant to

briansbotanicals@alltel.net

I will check out the photos and see if a replacement is in order. I see two or so that looks to what I feared more green than expected. I have noticed a few and have pulled them out to watch.

I usually require the plants sent back for replacements. But for a few I dont think it will be required. THANKS
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Old 05-21-2007, 08:26 PM   #272 (permalink)
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Just going on my experience , full sun on little ones is too much here in Maryland. Lost a few leaves , they had that little bit red sunburn look . Now all is fine , I guess Siam Red gets Sun from noon on here at the moment. I'd wait a couple of weeks more to say plants are green for sure . The Florida ones are coming on very well and showing lovely colour , I hope mine goes the same way .Temps here have been up and down , seems stable now in the high 70's moving to 80's by the weekend , some nights are high 40's but most are high 50's to low 60's . The Siam Red has been out in the weather for three weeks I guess and seems a tough little fella, it's taken Sun ,Storms and cold and refused to give up.
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Mine looks about like Gabes with only the top 3 leaves. It's only been moved to full sun for a few days so it's too early to tell if it's gonna stay green. I kind of doubt it. It seems like there is a little variation in the green on the leaves. So far no sun damage to it in sunny skies and near 90 temps.

Gabe, is yours in full sun now?
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Mine is in as much sun as I can get it, it has plenty of light. I don't yet see any signs of red, its very bright green, brighter than a normal Musa at this stage.
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The new leaves on mine are emerging red on the bottom of the leaf , the top of the leaf does not go red until it gets some Sun. I'm thankfull I have a red one , I just feel for Brian with all his good work to get us these rare Musa and then there is a bunch of problems with them , I guess in the long run he will have a stock of interesting forms to sell and recoup the money and time he has layed out. Best of Luck to all with Siam Red.
Just a side note , the small pup of my Siam Red is green so far , it's about 2 inches tall. I guess the next step is to see if they pup true to colour.
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Temperatures in NJ are finally becoming summerlike. And my Siam Ruby is starting to turn red quite quickly now, even though it is still growing slowly. The newest leaf which I mentioned before came out mostly green has now turned about 50% red and is still going, after just about 2 days in 90 degrees.

It was getting full sun for weeks before without much change, it seems to me to be due to the heat, not the light.

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Beautiful banana Brian!
I just had another leaf uncurl and it is staying green ,
But a nice little banana none the less. Keep the pics coming people!
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Well, I was finally able to borrow a camera to take a picture of my Siam Ruby. My camera won't turn on for some reason, even after trying out several new batteries. Here are the pictures:

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As you all can see, I have one of the limited edition "greenies" Ruby Reds. I got this in the week of April 15 in Seattle, WA, and hand carried it to Walnut Creek, CA on the 19th. It has been set outside on a south facing balcony since the first week of May. The first 2 weeks in CA, I had to bring it in at night because the temps got to the high 40's. Now the temps here during the day are in the high 70's to low 80's and in the 50's at night.
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Default Dunno if I'm wacked out on this:

By my (given, it's limited) observations w/my Siam, it 'appears' to like/need heat at the root/corm to help coloring up to red.

I'm basing this strictly by mine, btw. It was developing color, albeit very slowly. When noting the large amounts of sun that the Florida people were giving theirs (& getting red WAY faster) ... I started 'chasing the sun'.

Now don't laugh - bear w/me for a minute here!

No one part of my smallish garden gets the duration that those w/big spreads would get, so I started moving the Siam pot w/the sun. It would start in the AM in one part, move to another, on to the top of the washer & later, on the gas BBQ side tray. I was kinda antsy @ setting it on metal, thinking it might overheat the pot/roots/corm. So even though it was speeding up the color change, I started putting it on top of a plastic compost bin. It still was coloring up, but the red stopped deepening.

A few days ago, I 'clicked' on this & went back to placing it on metal/heat retaining materials. And it has went back (almost immediately) to the intenser(?) deepening change.

I finally have started seeing the 'cherry red' bits that the Florida people are showing in their pixs. Mixed in w/the deeper purpley/red that it started with, granted, but definitely spreading. The bright clear cherry red is what grabbed me when I first saw this plant!

I may be all wet, but maybe it's not just sun - baby needs to be a little warmer at the roots?


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