ron_mcb

i tried to read the other posts about banana grafting and basically fell alsleep. whatever you do please dont turn this thread into the other banana graft threads..i didnt know what i was reading at times.they got off subject so much it was rediculous.there were people talking about family history. the ones who couldnt add anything relative just attacked the personal politics of others .. so many long winded comments in the threads with people trying to quote greek,chinese,and japanese poetry and philosophy??? so what was the conclusion?? i think i remember one guy stating that he got variegated plants from this procedure..

why dont we all try this before we dismiss it then we can post our experiences,after all you cant trust a guy on youtube...or do we just wait for someone else to try it and call it fake? what the hell ever happened to the people willing to take risks and experiment ?? maybe someone should call bill nye or mythbusters??

i know the corms fused together on a cellular level we have established that..where is the solid proof that the genetic info will never get exchanged?? this is impossible? are the different banana cultivars so unique that it would make it impossible?? where are the plant biologist ???


i think everyone would agree we need a more comprehensive conclusion bottom line..... im in the process of calling and emailing as many univ plant biology professors as i can.maybe i will get a shout back.

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john_ny

I read something, a long time ago, where someone had done something like this with some flower bulbs, probably tulips. I didn't pay too much attention, as I had no plans to try to replicate it, but here's what I remember. The idea was to try to get flowers that were half one color, and half another, or striped ones. They took 2 different colred bulbs, say a red, and a yellow, and cut each one in half, vertically. Then they placed the cut side of a yellow against the cut side of the red and tied them up.
Supposedly, this produced what they wanted but, I would think, the cut would have to be very precise, exactly through the center of the growing tip, or you'd get solid color flowers, one or the other. And it's my guess (and only a guess) that any bulblets formed ( like the pups from a banana corm) would be either red or yellow, depending on which side they formed.

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ron_mcb

thanks john,

at least there are some people still curious..my thing is i need to have some closure on this.. to figure out what would happen for myself..the guy mauro said he got a variegated plant but nothing exciting..maybe im too curious but i will try my luck..im sure if everyone who visited this tried it instead of being so dismissive we would discover something new. everyone of us cant have the same exact outcome since we dont have the same plants,and the plants are under different environmental conditions. i will try it a few and dig up a corm an examine it. i would like to be the first to post the dug corm pics too. thats if no one else will beat me to it.

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asacomm

Quite funny for me is that Mauro Gibo who principally raised the agenda
comments nothing during the series of this debate.

I still beleive it is very difficult and rather impossible to graft a banana stem
on another banana's stem. The stem is consisted of multiplied petioles and
each of these petioles should be grafted. So the principle of the grafting of
banana is basically and theoretically different from that of ordinary trees and
flowers.
And even in case that it were possible, what is the benefit to do so??

alpha010

Benny and Frank hit the nail on the head, the two only share food and water supply. I would be willing to bet big cash that there is absolutely no way that a cross-breed or even making of sensitive to hardy would ever happen for the simple fact that like frank said, there is no sharing or transfer of DNA, only structures.

Think of it this way, if you cut your hand off, and your wife cut her hand off. Then you both were fused/sewn together at the wrist, would your body chemistry change? i.e., Would you develop breasts or have pms? Would she start growing body hair and get a deeper voice? Most likely not. You would just be two people fused at the wrist and sharing a little blood...... BTW, this is not to be read as an argument...tog, I'm chilled...I'm just stating a point in a less scientific way that could be understood by all.

Shaggy

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ron_mcb

Science: the concerted human effort to understand, or to understand better, the history of the natural world and how the natural world works, with observable physical evidence as the basis of that understanding.

i think that mr. mauro did it in the name of science. i guess anyone who makes an effort to understand the world around us is a scientist by definition. i would like to know the status or conclusion of his experiments..

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Mauro Gibo

I'll be in touch very soon and report about my grafting bananas experiments. The long winter kept me and my pups inactive. But I'd like to let you all know that I didn't quit yet. I'm waiting for the weather to get a little more warmer. Best Regards and hello to all of you my good friends of the banana forum. Mauro Gibo.

alpha010

Regaurdless of what we say Ron, I'd still be interested in what your experiments show....we say nay, prove us wrong!

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Lagniappe

I was about to post that, I swear it!
I'm very open minded, to the point of being gullible, but see no logic in this. I have seen crazier things though so I leave the doings to the great Mauro Gibo and the Mcblunder who summoned him.
Science is, after all, not developing a theory and proving it right but trying to prove it wrong over and over.
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Why don't you graft them in your brains, there seem to be a lot of space !

Mauro Gibo

"Rome was not built in a day", so please give me sometime. We are all influenced by others, be it either good or bad. You are already influenced by me Mauro Gibo, accept it or not. I live in a monsoon climate, you don't. The plants around here are not the same as in your country. I will consider my experiments a failure only when I quit. But I shall never quit. We belong to different cultures so it's obvious that our point of view is different. I just went to my orchard and took a look at my grafted banana pups and they look beautiful. I shall call them San Mauro Bananas, born out of my blessed grafting, right here in Kameyama City, Mie Prefecture, Japan.
If you doubt me, please come and take a look at them I will welcome you all.
Remember, I got a hot and humid climate to grow bananas during the summer, so my chances to be succesful is much greater than any of you.
Bye, till we meet again.

alpha010

Hey Mauro, I'm a nanner graft nay-sayer......But I always welcome to be proved wrong. The only thing is if you had the graft parents "dna tested" then had the pups tested as well, the pups should be from one or the other. I do believe that grafted nanners do well, but a graft is all it is, a graft. You still have 2 different plants each with thier own biology and chemistry. I also doubt heavily that you can make something like a Jamaican Red with a Basjoo graft and the Red would not (I feel) carry the hardiness of the basjoo when exposed to a prolong snap of 38*.

Like I said before though, these are my opinions so value them as that and only that. I am not a scientist, I am a fan and a hobbiest. So if you want to prove me wrong, please feel free to do so! I am open to higher education and will take it when I can get it.

Shaggy

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sunfish

I would like to read about grafting bananas,can you give us a link.Thanks

mm4birds

"Rome was not built in a day", so please give me sometime. We are all influenced by others, be it either good or bad. You are already influenced by me Mauro Gibo, accept it or not. I live in a monsoon climate, you don't. The plants around here are not the same as in your country. I will consider my experiments a failure only when I quit. But I shall never quit. We belong to different cultures so it's obvious that our point of view is different. I just went to my orchard and took a look at my grafted banana pups and they look beautiful. I shall call them San Mauro Bananas, born out of my blessed grafting, right here in Kameyama City, Mie Prefecture, Japan.
If you doubt me, please come and take a look at them I will welcome you all.
Remember, I got a hot and humid climate to grow bananas during the summer, so my chances to be succesful is much greater than any of you.
Bye, till we meet again.

Mr. Gibo: With all due respect if you could post pictures of your grafted banana pups alongside the parent plants and show us the new leaves differing from either parent you may make believers out of the sceptics here. Thanks

Mauro Gibo

Hi. Thank you for your interest in the subject. I will do so as soon as I take the pictures. Best Regards, Mauro.

sunfish

Ancient plant breeders grew edible bananas by grafting sterile mutants onto wild stems. This process was repeated for thousands of years to produce the emasculated, sterile -- and defenceless -- plantation banana that currently feeds millions of people globally.

sunfish

Grafting bananas - 22 March 2003 - New ScientistThe reason why bananas cannot be grafted, as suggested by Anthony Whyte (15 February,

Chironex

Hi Mauro! I still want to believe that something could happen. Despite the popular opinion that it won't work, I am hopeful that it fools all of us. Stranger things have happened in nature. Nothing is absolute and most science is still theoretical. So mark my name down in the believers column my friend.

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sunfish

I called a friend who has a banana plantation in Brazil and he said they do a lot of grafting in the banana trees. What I would like to know ,is this true that they graft bananas in Brazil,and have keep it hdden from the rest of the world.

Mauro Gibo

I have asked two Brazilians who worked in banana plantations in Brazil and they said they do a lot of grafting. I also asked a Bolivian farmer and he said the same. I wrote to the government controlled Brazilian Botanical Research Center in Bahia State, Brazil and they said they know nothing about such practice. It's really hard to tell because the primitive Brazilians and Bolivians have many indigenous customs and practices that the government doesn't care to check. They are small and poor farmers, so the rich and powerfull people don't give them much credit. I don't see any reason for them to lie to me when I asked about their grafting practice. They also told me the procedures how to do it. All my life I've had banana plants growing around my yard so I never cared for them. To really know the truth I'll have to go to Brazil and see them do it with my own bare eyes. But I don't doubt them. I believe primitive people have a lot of knowlege about farming that we city people are not aware of. I've been living in Japan for 42 years. I've traveled to Brazil 33 times but as I was not interested in bananas I didn't check anything about it. Now that I'm crazy about bananas I really pity myself for losing the opportunity. I grafted my banana pups last September, so I'm still in the beginning of my experiments.
I know most people don't believe it's possible. But what have I to lose? I know our ancestors had a lot of wisdom and they didn't have any sophisticated labs to do tissue culture.
I'm sorry I can't give you any concrete proof at the present time.
Bye for now.