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Old 07-12-2008, 12:06 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Is anyone else from here attending the OFA Short Course in Columbus? I'm here now (and we be the whole time). It seems as though the nursery folks have really taken a liking to 'Siam Ruby', they are everywhere, and even noted thier increasing popularity in one of the sessions I attended. I'm hoping to maybe find some interesting color forms of it, and maybe some other interesting bananas too. Other than that, there have been a few 'High Color Mini', M. acuminata subsp. zebrina and a M. basjoo or two. The trade show exhibits open up tommarow, so I'll be on the lookout for new and interesting things.
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Old 07-12-2008, 12:12 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Have fun at the show Gabe! Take some pics for us.
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PS- They also mentioned that 'Siam Ruby' has the highest royalty of any herbaceous plant in the industry right now, they just didn't mention who that royalty is paid to!
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Is anyone else from here attending the OFA Short Course in Columbus? I'm here now (and we be the whole time). It seems as though the nursery folks have really taken a liking to 'Siam Ruby', they are everywhere, and even noted thier increasing popularity in one of the sessions I attended. I'm hoping to maybe find some interesting color forms of it, and maybe some other interesting bananas too. Other than that, there have been a few 'High Color Mini', M. acuminata subsp. zebrina and a M. basjoo or two. The trade show exhibits open up tommarow, so I'll be on the lookout for new and interesting things.
take pics Gabe and get me a ruby lol all gladly pay u tuesday for a banana today lol have fun and keep us posted
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Pauly I have one that I bought from Brian's Botanicals, so we are in business. It's small now, but starting to grow faster.
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If you see any 50/50's I'd gladly pay for one. Actually you could probably unload several of them on here. Don't inconvenience youself though. Have fun and shoot some pics for us. We'd love to see them!
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So some guy found "siam ruby" growing in PNG, and got a good lawyer, and now is making tons of money off of it? If that's what happened that's crazy, I can't wait till I get my Basjoo X 'Siam Ruby' in the works(just kidding).
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Make the most of it Gabe, enjoy!
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So some guy found "siam ruby" growing in PNG, and got a good lawyer, and now is making tons of money off of it? If that's what happened that's crazy, I can't wait till I get my Basjoo X 'Siam Ruby' in the works(just kidding).
I was actually just wondering that myself...what the rules behind patents are. Seemed a little odd that they could do that with a wild collected plant, but I guess its possible...or they lied it about maybe??? who knows.

So far, I've seen one 50/50, but it was in a display, hopefully there will be some for sale tomorrow.
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I just noticed Agri-Starts has a booth...could lead to something interesting.
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I just noticed Agri-Starts has a booth...could lead to something interesting.
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I was actually just wondering that myself...what the rules behind patents are. Seemed a little odd that they could do that with a wild collected plant, but I guess its possible...or they lied it about maybe??? who knows.

So far, I've seen one 50/50, but it was in a display, hopefully there will be some for sale tomorrow.
That's no biggie. If I wanted to TC Siam Ruby for sale, I'd just call it differently - like Siam Red, or even the original "Ace of Hearts", unless that one is Copyrighted.
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I was actually just wondering that myself...what the rules behind patents are. Seemed a little odd that they could do that with a wild collected plant, but I guess its possible...or they lied it about maybe??? who knows.

So far, I've seen one 50/50, but it was in a display, hopefully there will be some for sale tomorrow.
I was under the impression that one of the main guys from Plant Delights Nursery brought it back from one of his collecting trips to Thailand or Vietnam. If that's the case and he got it TC'd couldn't he charge royalties? PDN is who I got mine from.
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I was under the impression that one of the main guys from Plant Delights Nursery brought it back from one of his collecting trips to Thailand or Vietnam. If that's the case and he got it TC'd couldn't he charge royalties? PDN is who I got mine from.
He collected it at a market, after it was already for sale. The original plant was found in the wild (I first heard Indonesia, only years later did the the PNG story come up, I don't know which is true) and sold to a collector for something like $2000. Then you could buy them in Asia for a bit, but they were wholesale $500 each. It finally came down to about $100 in Thailand, but once it really hit the US...well, you know the status now.
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wow maybe someone here *cough *cough GABE make a AEAE/SIAM RUBY :P j/k but all sorts deformed colors
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i asked my mom about the patient thing she worked for a patint firm for 35 years and she said that you cant patint a plant that is found growing in the wild but if you propagate it and give it a name then its your property and you could Patint that offspring however she also said that if some one could prove that the new plants were exactly like the original in a Court of law that you could fours the removal of the original patient she added that that would be almost pointless unless there was some kind of good pay off for doing it just thought you all would like to know!
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I just talked to some wholesale growers, and one told me that royalties may be payed to anyone who introduces a new plant to the company, no matter where it came from (wild collected, thru breeding, TC sport etc...). These are from contracts drawn up between the seller and whoever gave them the plant, and do not need to involve any sort of patent. In this case it would be a "thanks" to the donor, and not a restriction on propagation for others who acquire it, unless they included that in the contract in some form.
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ok so if ive had a manzano plant handed down for 3 generations then i can give it to agristarts and they will pay me for it???? just an example though but is that what it means???
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ok so if ive had a manzano plant handed down for 3 generations then i can give it to agristarts and they will pay me for it???? just an example though but is that what it means???
ya, pretty much, but you'd need something that will sell (something rare or unique), because if it doesn't sell very well then the company will not be able to pay you anything for it.
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