Musa Hajaray??

asacomm · 11-15-2014, 06:48 PM

Hello Banana Fans,

This is the bunch of the banana that has been grown believing to be Musa
Hajaray. The seedling was bought from a German nursery of "fronsthartepalmen"

As you can see from the picture, the shape of the fingers is very similar to
that of Musa Namwah, and not to that of the public picture released from
the nurery. The next photo is released from the German nursery.

The shape of the fngers is quite diferent from my photo.

I am only at a loss what happened with this banana.

Pancrazio · 11-16-2014, 09:04 PM

I can't tell what it is but i would be pretty happy to grow banana like those.
Congratulations!

venturabananas · 11-17-2014, 11:45 AM

Both photos look like Namwah to me, just with different lighting and different growing conditions that affect the bunch size and finger shape.

mushtaq86 · 11-17-2014, 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by venturabananas

Both photos look like Namwah to me, just with different lighting and different growing conditions that affect the bunch size and finger shape.

Agree with Mark

PR-Giants · 11-19-2014, 09:26 AM

IMO they are different bananas. Your bunch appears to be a normal looking Pisang Awak type, while the other has many differences, one that stands out is that it retained many of it's bracts between the hands which is typically an off-type trait.

Congrats...Great looking bunch....Enjoy....

Pancrazio · 11-21-2014, 09:18 PM

Hey asacomm, may I ask you a thing? How long did take from flowering to fruit for Hajaray? If i recall correctly you posted about this bunch earlier, but not so much time ago, and it was just flowering. Did the finger filled so quickly?
Thank you.

asacomm · 11-21-2014, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pancrazio

Hey asacomm, may I ask you a thing? How long did take from flowering to fruit for Hajaray?
If i recall correctly you posted about this bunch earlier, but not so much time ago, and it was just flowering.
Did the finger filled so quickly?
Thank you.

Buon giorno Pancrazio,

It started flowering end of July and harvested in the middle of November.
So it took 3 months and a half for harvesting. This is the normal period
between flowering and harvest here in my zone in Japan where is a little bit
warmer than your place of Florence.

venturabananas · 11-23-2014, 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PR-Giants

IMO they are different bananas. Your bunch appears to be a normal looking Pisang Awak type, while the other has many differences, one that stands out is that it retained many of it's bracts between the hands which is typically an off-type trait.

It probably depends which Pisang Awak variety. Dwarf Namwah bunches often have that look. Here's one where I removed the retained bracts, but you can see how tightly packed the bunch is.

Pancrazio · 11-23-2014, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asacomm

Buon giorno Pancrazio,

It started flowering end of July and harvested in the middle of November.
So it took 3 months and a half for harvesting. This is the normal period
between flowering and harvest here in my zone in Japan where is a little bit
warmer than your place of Florence.

Thank you very much. 3 months and half is really a small time! You give me hope, with such brief interval i should be able to fruit at least some of my plants. Who knows. Now i should check for some climate datas to see if your (presumably) hotter night might have played a role, but I won't! So i can't continue to harbour hope.

PR-Giants · 11-24-2014, 07:33 PM

Sorry that you were confused, but "Pisang Awak type" covers the entire subgroup and his bunch certainly appears to be in the Pisang Awak subgroup.

Every cultivar I've grown has retained a bract at one time or another even bananas without buds have retained bracts but the Hajaray photo retained most of it's bracts which is typically an off-type trait (well that's what the scientific journals said

).

Quote:

Originally Posted by venturabananas

It probably depends which Pisang Awak variety. Dwarf Namwah bunches often have that look. Here's one where I removed the retained bracts, but you can see how tightly packed the bunch is.

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