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Old 06-17-2013, 12:42 AM   #1 (permalink)
 
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I bought what I believe to be a Musa Blue Java Ice Cream banana plant from Florida Hill Nursery. I did however read that that recently a number of online nurseries are selling Namwahs as Blue Javas. Does anyone know if Florida Hill Nursery is reputable? Has anyone else bought a musa blue java from them? And can you actually confirm that you got a musa blue java? I will try to post a photo of mine. It is still quite small so I don't know if you can tell what variety it is at this point, but any guidance you guys can provide would be appreciated.

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Old 06-17-2013, 12:46 AM   #2 (permalink)
 
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Here is my Newest Photo. There is absolutely no red on it at this point.

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FYI - This is what it looked like when I first planted it on April 19, 2013.
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From what i know,no nursery except maybe Encanto Farms sells true 'Ice Cream'/'Blue Java' in mainland US simply because Agristarts is the source where most all banana nurseries there get their plants,and this one sells a Pisang Awak subgroup variety for Blue Java. Same here in Europe regarding that variety. Pretty much the only way to get a true plant of this variety is to ask for a pup someone with a confirmed true to type mat.

Your plant looks about what my 'Ice Cream'(Pisang Awak one,not the true one) looked like at that size...Its always however safer to wait for a flower to conclude on an ID,but thats what it looks like to me.
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As Kostas said, its likely a Pisang Awak-type since the source of the confusion started with a mislabeled plant from Agristarts. You'll find out when it blooms though.

Very few folks it seems have a real Blue Java and if you want one, you'll have to ask around for a verified variety instead of buying one online from a nursery.

Most of the folks who thought they had Ice Cream/Blue Java turned out to have Namwa, which I will warn you can get big...

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I love that pic of the mat next to the house for size reference.
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Thanks for all of the comments. I figured that would be the case. That is a pretty awesome photo alemily! I hope my plants grow half as well as those. Here is another angle of my small banana plant.

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alemily - I purchased my Ice Cream from Magnolia Nursery near you a few years ago. Has yet to flower but its huge. You saying I probably have a Namwa instead ? :-(
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alemily - I purchased my Ice Cream from Magnolia Nursery near you a few years ago. Has yet to flower but its huge. You saying I probably have a Namwa instead ? :-(
Yes it'll be a Tall Namwah, not an Ice Cream. None of the nurseries around here sell the actual "Blue Java/Ice Cream"
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Is a Namwa fruit edible? A quick search on the web and all that came up was Dawrf Namwa.
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Is a Namwa fruit edible? A quick search on the web and all that came up was Dawrf Namwa.
Yes. The fruit is short like the ladyfinger bananas they sell in grocery stores. Fruit is sweet and firm..its not mealy like a Cavendish.
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I don't find cavendish mealy
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From what i know,no nursery except maybe Encanto Farms sells true 'Ice Cream'/'Blue Java' in mainland US simply because Agristarts is the source where most all banana nurseries there get their plants,and this one sells a Pisang Awak subgroup variety for Blue Java. Same here in Europe regarding that variety. Pretty much the only way to get a true plant of this variety is to ask for a pup someone with a confirmed true to type mat.

Your plant looks about what my 'Ice Cream'(Pisang Awak one,not the true one) looked like at that size...Its always however safer to wait for a flower to conclude on an ID,but thats what it looks like to me.
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Sunfish thank you for this info! You should let everyone know where to go to get the real deal. The one I have has grown a new leaf and it is clear now that it is in no way a real ice cream since it now has redish/pink lining around the leaf. This has been quite disappointing. I would not recommend anyone buy from florida hill nursery if you want to get the actual variety you pay for. I just bought another one that was called an ice cream from a local Arizona nursery. This one shares the characteristics of an actual blue java and it is bigger than the one in the photo above. If this one also turns put to be a fake, I will definitely call La Verne Nursery. Thanks again!
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Sunfish thank you for this info! You should let everyone know where to go to get the real deal. The one I have has grown a new leaf and it is clear now that it is in no way a real ice cream since it now has redish/pink lining around the leaf. This has been quite disappointing. I would not recommend anyone buy from florida hill nursery if you want to get the actual variety you pay for. I just bought another one that was called an ice cream from a local Arizona nursery. This one shares the characteristics of an actual blue java and it is bigger than the one in the photo above. If this one also turns put to be a fake, I will definitely call La Verne Nursery. Thanks again!
Just passing along the info.Bigbananaboy is the one you should get credit
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Here are the latest photos of the NON-Musa Blue Java I bought from Florida Hill Nursery. Notice the reddish/pink lining around the leafs and the open petioles. I am being told by a number of members that these two attributes demonstrate that it is surely not a Musa Blue Java Ice Cream Banana. Feel free to weigh in on the matter. All comments are welcome. Thanks.






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Sorry guys, but I bought a so labeled Blue Java from La Verne last year, but even my unexperienced eye can tell it is not and probably a Namwah/Pisang Awak type. After I had friends over from Hawaii and from the CRFG and both confirmed it was not a Blue Java, I returned it. But what I did not know was that it already had a pup, so that one is still growing in my yard. Plenty of red on p- stem, mid-ribs of leaves and red outlined leaves.
Have seen lots of Blue Java labeled plants from La Verne nursery since then and not even one looked similar to my REAL DEAL Blue Java from Jon. Hope that helps someone to make the right decissions about La Verne plants.
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Sorry guys, but I bought a so labeled Blue Java from La Verne last year, but even my unexperienced eye can tell it is not and probably a Namwah/Pisang Awak type. After I had friends over from Hawaii and from the CRFG and both confirmed it was not a Blue Java, I returned it. But what I did not know was that it already had a pup, so that one is still growing in my yard. Plenty of red on p- stem, mid-ribs of leaves and red outlined leaves.
Have seen lots of Blue Java labeled plants from La Verne nursery since then and not even one looked similar to my REAL DEAL Blue Java from Jon. Hope that helps someone to make the right decissions about La Verne plants.
Thanks for the info. Wow, it is interesting how many of these plants are being mislabeled. I'll be very cautious about my next purchase.
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Has Big Tony's plant flowered and checked out to truly be the real deal?
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