More flowers! Hey Pitangadiego look.

momoese · 08-09-2006, 10:00 PM

In talking with Pitangadiego we sort of came to the conclusion that the Cambodian bananas I'm growing are Namwa's. My pups came from a very old stand that is owned by the local Camodian Shamen in Long Beach Ca. This is the first of three plants I got from him to flower. This one was damaged a bit last winter and ended up growing out the side of the p-stem so it's not the biggest of the 3, just the first to flower. Can you take a look at the flowers and see what you think. Namwa?

The first day it opened. (yesterday)

This morning

This evening

pitangadiego · 08-09-2006, 10:24 PM

Mitchel,

It's a little hard to tell, but nothing obviosuly says ther are NOT namwah. They should have a nice bluish color similar to Ice Cream, but without the silver blush.

pitangadiego · 08-09-2006, 10:27 PM

Here's a pic.

momoese · 08-09-2006, 11:36 PM

Does you neighbor have any blooming right now?

eggo · 08-10-2006, 01:18 AM

I agree with Jon there. It does not not look like Namwah.

Boy that was some bad grammar, hehe.
I do have some close up shot of the blooms but will have to look for them. A few years ago, I had one fruit that had a slightly developed seed, but it might of been an aborted seed since my teeth didn't break but the seed. I hear that the variety is somewhat fertile if pollinated.

GATrops · 08-10-2006, 07:46 AM

Eggo & others- I am very interested in the possibility that Namwah might produce a seed or two if pollinated with viable pollen. Has anyone else had any experience with Namwah throwing a seed or two in a bunch?

Many Thanks,
Richard

Frankallen · 08-10-2006, 08:54 AM

Here is another Photo of my Orinoco blooming! This one looks similar to yours too.

See what you think.

Frank

momoese · 08-10-2006, 10:22 AM

They do look the same. I'm kinda wondering if you can really tell by the flowers? I'll have to wait and see how the fruit looks as it matures.

PaulOdin · 08-10-2006, 04:04 PM

For what it's worth, I've never gotten anything quite that blue from an Orinoco blossom. Frank, do your blooms look like that first photo?

Paul

Southern-Grower · 08-10-2006, 04:43 PM

doesn't look close to me..

here's a d.o. bloom..

pitangadiego · 08-10-2006, 09:54 PM

Mitchel. The neighbors has bloomed once, but is not currently doing it.

I believe that the male stage flowers are definitive for determining variety. Many female stage flowers are similar.

momoese · 08-11-2006, 12:31 AM

What exactly are the male stage flowers?

eggo · 08-11-2006, 01:12 AM

Here's my dwarf Namwa from earlier this year. I thought I had some close up pics of the blooms but unfortunately haven't been able to find em yet. The male blooms are the blooms that come out after all the blooms with the developping fruit shows up. These male blooms are usually the long blooming bud you see hanging down long after the fruits have developed. It makes a good vegetable side, Namwa blooms has no bitterness to them.

eggo · 08-11-2006, 01:20 AM

GATrops, I did read somewhere that Namwah is somewhat fertile if pollinated but can't find where I got this info from. There were a few posts on gardenweb before by a couple different members, they mention running into edible bananas they sampled while in Thailand that had seeds. I have never tried to hand pollinate them before but may give it a try one day.

JoeReal · 08-11-2006, 02:07 AM

Male stage flowers are those that fall off without forming fruits. If you can see flowers starting to fall off without forming fruit, those are the beginnings of male stage flowers, and from then on, it will only be male stage flowers.

momoese · 08-18-2006, 01:44 PM

Ok guys, here are the male flowers. Does this help ID the plant?

Zac in NC · 08-18-2006, 02:34 PM

Not sure, but those flowers sure are beautiful. Great pics Mitchel

Zac

Frankallen · 08-18-2006, 04:16 PM

WOW!!! These photos are Absolutely Gorgeous!! Good Job!! Wish I could help you ID it !!!

Frank

pitangadiego · 08-19-2006, 12:25 AM

Momoese,

Check pix of Malnago and Misi Luki at http://webebananas.com/bvar-M-N.html

pitangadiego · 08-19-2006, 12:26 AM

Check Monthan, also.

08-09-2006, 10:00 PM	#1 (permalink)
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momoese Organic Mechanic momoese's Photo Gallery Location: West Los Angeles CA Find me on the map! Zone: zone 10 Name: Mitchel Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,983 BananaBucks : 30,135 Feedback: 9 / 100% Thanks: 36 Thanked 380 Times in 207 Posts Welcomes: 91	Re: More flowers! Hey Pitangadiego look. What exactly are the male stage flowers? __________________ Mitchel

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eggo NAmerica PineappleRancher eggo's Photo Gallery Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 78 BananaBucks : 794 Feedback: 0 / 0% Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Welcomes: 0	Re: More flowers! Hey Pitangadiego look. Here's my dwarf Namwa from earlier this year. I thought I had some close up pics of the blooms but unfortunately haven't been able to find em yet. The male blooms are the blooms that come out after all the blooms with the developping fruit shows up. These male blooms are usually the long blooming bud you see hanging down long after the fruits have developed. It makes a good vegetable side, Namwa blooms has no bitterness to them.

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