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Old 07-29-2008, 11:10 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Geeez Louise! Austin,
Looks like you've already gotten on a plane and demanded your plant from GB! According to the sources that I posted here, VC is the same as Pisang Mas. VC is the native name in the Philippines, while PM is Indonesian.
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Geeez Louise! Austin,
Looks like you've already gotten on a plane and demanded your plant from GB! According to the sources that I posted here, VC is the same as Pisang Mas. VC is the native name in the Philippines, while PM is Indonesian.
LOL. It's awesome! Yeah, I ordered mine back in January right after the article by Dr. Richard Wallce in Southeastern Palms was published. I knew I just had to try this variety because of the short time to flowering to fruiting to ripening. I knew this banana would have real potential. I hope we all find it is the best one for our cooler zones. Time will tell.
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Geeez Louise! Austin,
Looks like you've already gotten on a plane and demanded your plant from GB! According to the sources that I posted here, VC is the same as Pisang Mas. VC is the native name in the Philippines, while PM is Indonesian.
I can't find the source you posted, but I'd like to see it. According to the info I have, 'Pisang Mas' is the common 'Sucrier' (this is often the variety called 'Ladyfinger', though there are others that go by the same name), and 'Veinte Cohol' is different, in its own subgroup of (AA).
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Some authors in the Musa literature state that Pisang Mas is a synonym for the Sucrier (sugar bowl) subgroup with genetics "AA".
Two of the listed cultivars are:
Kluai Khai
Nino
Other cultivars proported to be type "AA" (but not necessarily Sucrier) are:
Berangan
Kluai Chak Nuan
Kluai Hom Khek
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I recently purchased some of the mini bananas sold by Dole from Ecuador. They never turned yellow. They remained half green, half black. I finally tried to peel one only to find them very difficult to peel. The flesh had a nice taste, though it seemed a little on the dry side and the center of the flesh was sort of hard, though still edible. I don't know if they weren't handled properly or what. Lorax advised me that they were probably what they call Oritos in Ecuador. She said they are harvested green like other bananas and then gassed here in the U.S. to ripen them. I'd like to get a hold of some that have been ripened properly because I really think they'd be great. Is this the same as 'Nino'? I saw that listed above.
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Discussing Cavendish bananas brings a stupid question up for me. I received some pups from a friend in Florida at the beginning of the summer. I posted a pic of the parent, as my friend had no idea of the ID, and the consensus was it was a Cavendish (see below). The leaves are green, even when small. The Dwarf Cavendish, on the other hand, has red streaks in the leaves that diminish as the plant gets older/bigger. Yet they are related?

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I recently purchased some of the mini bananas sold by Dole from Ecuador. They never turned yellow. They remained half green, half black. I finally tried to peel one only to find them very difficult to peel. The flesh had a nice taste, though it seemed a little on the dry side and the center of the flesh was sort of hard, though still edible. I don't know if they weren't handled properly or what. Lorax advised me that they were probably what they call Oritos in Ecuador. She said they are harvested green like other bananas and then gassed here in the U.S. to ripen them. I'd like to get a hold of some that have been ripened properly because I really think they'd be great. Is this the same as 'Nino'? I saw that listed above.
Whatever banana you get that's ultra-young green will not ripen properly regardless of what you do to it. The best you can do with them is to peel them when they are still firm with a peeler/knife, slice them thinly, and fry them for chips.

Indeed, Dole baby bananas are Oritos, Lady Finger, or Manzano. Here's a link:
Dole Baby: Dole | Products
(Orito, Lady Finger, Manzano)

Chiquita is Pisang Mas. Notice the similarity of the fruits with Viente Cohol, especially, the ends do not have a pronounced bottle-necking of the fruit tips:
Chiquita Minis: Baby bananas are hitting are hitting U.S. markets - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review

Pisang Mas: Pisang Mas - ..:: Zul + Sue = Darwisy ::.. - Fotopages.com

Viente Cohol: Tropical Fruit Photography Picture Archive-Banana

Descriptions of the various families of baby bananas and others are discussed in the following attachment.
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The one's I bought (Dole) were definitely skinnier than the Viente Cohols. I'm hoping to get an Orito or Manzano at some point. Also, I'm supposed to be getting a Nino from a member here. I had seen the Dole site before but wasn't sure how accurate it was. Thanks for the info.
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A while back I ran across this page done by a banana label collector. It details the different PLU numbers on banana labels.

His main page is here.
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Awesome link! I would have never guessed that so many labels have been used for bananas. I really enjoyed viewing the different ways of transporting the bananas from the plantations too. Those banana trains are neat!
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Is VC alone in that it produces quickly, or do the other small bananas do it too? If they all have a quick fruiting time that would be nice, since I'm on the hunt for some of those mini ones around here.
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Is VC alone in that it produces quickly, or do the other small bananas do it too? If they all have a quick fruiting time that would be nice, since I'm on the hunt for some of those mini ones around here.
No, Seņorita is even quicker under Philippine conditions. 5-6 months from pup to fruit. VC, I believe, takes another 1-2 months. Nevertheless, both will reportedly fruit within a year from pup.
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No, Seņorita is even quicker under Philippine conditions. 5-6 months from pup to fruit. VC, I believe, takes another 1-2 months. Nevertheless, both will reportedly fruit within a year from pup.
Isn't Seņorita's nickname "Forty Days", for its fast maturation from flower to fruit?
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Isn't Seņorita's nickname "Forty Days", for its fast maturation from flower to fruit?
That is the English translation of it's nickname - Quarenta dias. And yes, the fruits develop and ripen rather quickly. So much so, that they are sold by the bunch, rather than by the hand. Shelf life is very short compared to the other commercial bananas in the Philippines.
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Today I purchased a bunch "Grateful Harvest" 94011's, apparently some organically certified cavendish variety.
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I purchased some red ones that were hard for 2 weeks. They tasted good after that.
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Yeah, the red one's are great once you let them ripen a bit. Beth said they are 'Lacatan's- they go by several other names as well.
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I recently purchased some of the mini bananas sold by Dole from Ecuador. They never turned yellow. They remained half green, half black. I finally tried to peel one only to find them very difficult to peel. The flesh had a nice taste, though it seemed a little on the dry side and the center of the flesh was sort of hard, though still edible. I don't know if they weren't handled properly or what. Lorax advised me that they were probably what they call Oritos in Ecuador. She said they are harvested green like other bananas and then gassed here in the U.S. to ripen them. I'd like to get a hold of some that have been ripened properly because I really think they'd be great. Is this the same as 'Nino'? I saw that listed above.
Brent I must have missed this when you posted. I had a very similar experience and they were just listed as "organic" bananas from I believe Bonita in Ecuador. Looking at their web site I believe they are nino.

The Asian market I go to on weekends had some manzano for the first time last Saturday. They were still tinged with a bit of green and tasted so that day(couldn't wait), funny but less than a week later they're over ripe and starting to split on their own. It's been the hottest week of the summer here with mid 90's (till today) and very , very humid which may be part of the cause. In any case there seems to be a small window of opportunity to consume them at their best.
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