Leaves burnt from frost question

blownz281 · 11-08-2014, 10:06 AM

If there is still a lot of green with the brown is the plant still benefiting from those leaves? Was curious.

Olafhenny · 11-08-2014, 05:55 PM

As Richard once said: "Every green leaf is a solar panel". However, since your plants
appear to have been already nicked by frost, I question if the benefits of squeezing
out a few more days of solar energy is worth the risk of more frost damage. I do not
know, what your plans are, but most winterizing procedures include at least some
clipping of leaves. I live in HZ6 and we have so far not had any frost at all this fall
but the forecasts for Thu, Fri, and Saturday morning are -10^C, -10^C, and -9^C
(14^, 14^ and 16^F), thus a cold front can move in very suddenly. You might
want to be prepared.

Best,
Olaf

blownz281 · 11-08-2014, 06:17 PM

Thanks for the reply. An no frost again for alittle while was a freak low. I'm in coastal zone 8b an have been doing my wintering process for years an works great.

. But thanks for showing concern. Was just curious. We still have upper 60-70 temps an lows in 50-60 so still throwing up leaves.

pitangadiego · 11-08-2014, 10:27 PM

Anything green is good. Period.

Olafhenny · 11-08-2014, 10:46 PM

What does a guy living in San Diego know about frost???

crazy banana · 11-09-2014, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Olafhenny

What does a guy living in San Diego know about frost???

A lot, because we do get temperatures below 0C/32F

and because we grew up in a freezing climate before we got smart and moved to a much nicer climate

Well, seriously, might only last for a couple early morning hours here and the p-stems are usually OK (except the winter of 2007 killed a lot of tropical plants in San Diego) but it sure has a devastating impact on the leaves.

Olafhenny · 11-09-2014, 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by crazy banana

A lot, because we do get temperatures below 0C/32F

and because we grew up in a freezing climate before we got smart and moved to a much nicer climate

Well, seriously, might only last for a couple early morning hours here and the p-stems are usually OK (except the winter of 2007 killed a lot of tropical plants in San Diego) but it sure has a devastating impact on the leaves.

...And you probably study the ice in your drinks intensely. Sorry, I forgot about
that, when I wrote that dismissive quip about San Diegoans' frost know how.
My apologies.

Sanatic1234 · 11-09-2014, 06:30 AM

I had my first frost of the Autumn 4 days ago and I am due one tonight as well and there will be plenty more to come I should think. Got to love the UK

crazy banana · 11-09-2014, 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Olafhenny

...And you probably study the ice in your drinks intensely. Sorry, I forgot about
that, when I wrote that dismissive quip about San Diegoans' frost know how.
My apologies.

No apologies needed. I wish we would not get any freezing temperatures here.
And you bet: studying the ice in our drinks is a science!!!!

Olafhenny · 11-09-2014, 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazy banana

No apologies needed. I wish we would not get any freezing temperatures here.
And you bet: studying the ice in our drinks is a science!!!!

And:

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazy banana

A lot, because we do get temperatures below 0C/32F

and because we grew up in a freezing climate before we got smart and moved to a much nicer climate

Well obviously not smart enough, you should have moved to the Florida coast!
But then again, there you cannot harvest you ice cubes in the fresh air.

crazy banana · 11-09-2014, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Olafhenny

And:

Well obviously not smart enough, you should have moved to the Florida coast!
But then again, there you cannot harvest you ice cubes in the fresh air.

Oh yes, VERY SMART.

No hurricanes and no humidity, though CA drought water bills and CA taxes compared to FL... Oh well, cannot have it all.

mushtaq86 · 11-09-2014, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Sanatic1234

I had my first frost of the Autumn 4 days ago and I am due one tonight as well and there will be plenty more to come I should think. Got to love the UK

Look on the bright side San, if we got no frost all your neighbour's would have the same plants as your self

Sanatic1234 · 11-16-2014, 10:27 AM

Well there is that Mush. I have this one neighbor that keeps trying to grow some plants I have but he seems to kill every plant I have given him. I just don't know how he does it. Lol but i don't tend to give him them now as I just find it a waste. I know that sounds horrible but they are nice strong healthy plants when I give them to him.

mushtaq86 · 11-16-2014, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Sanatic1234

Well there is that Mush. I have this one neighbor that keeps trying to grow some plants I have but he seems to kill every plant I have given him. I just don't know how he does it. Lol but i don't tend to give him them now as I just find it a waste. I know that sounds horrible but they are nice strong healthy plants when I give them to him.

Hi San

Maybe you should just give him a garden book, at least he cant kill that

Sanatic1234 · 11-16-2014, 05:30 PM

I think this is where he struggles as he is dyslexic so not being able to read won't help. I quite often have knocks at the door asking me what this plant is and if it can be kept outside all year round. Which i don't mind as i know he is trying. He wants to buy a yucca and trachycarpus next.

bengal tiger nanas · 11-16-2014, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sanatic1234

I think this is where he struggles as he is dyslexic so not being able to read won't help. I quite often have knocks at the door asking me what this plant is and if it can be kept outside all year round. Which i don't mind as i know he is trying. He wants to buy a yucca and trachycarpus next.

aleast he is asking.some people i give plants to just leave them on to make it alone.

JCA433 · 11-16-2014, 09:39 PM

I think almost every place in North America over the past 100 years has been below freezing at least once except Key West and the Yucatan. The cold air from Siberia can travel a very long distance from north to south to even the tropics! In the winter most of Canada and the northern plains have deep snow pack and this allow the cold arctic air mas to keep the cold factor much further south than other continents.

Sanatic1234 · 11-17-2014, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by bengal tiger nanas

aleast he is asking.some people i give plants to just leave them on to make it alone.

That is very true, and when he does ask i help him the best i can. But he does try and that is what you need determination when growing these plants as they are more challenging as we all know.

Olafhenny · 11-17-2014, 05:08 PM

I can for the life of me not figure out, how anybody can fail at raising bananas. If you
can grow a lawn or string beans, for that matter, you can grow bananas. You just have
to add water in drier areas and they will grow. If you add some fertilizer and/or put
them into good soil, they will grow better.

The only trick up here is to keep them from freezing during winter.

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Olafhenny Olafhenny's Photo Gallery Location: Penticton, BC, Okanagan Valley, Canada Find me on the map! Zone: Hardiness Zone 6 Name: Olaf Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 1,705 BananaBucks : 245,924 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 2,050 Times Was Thanked 2,012 Times in 876 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 77 Times	Re: Leaves burnt from frost question I can for the life of me not figure out, how anybody can fail at raising bananas. If you can grow a lawn or string beans, for that matter, you can grow bananas. You just have to add water in drier areas and they will grow. If you add some fertilizer and/or put them into good soil, they will grow better. The only trick up here is to keep them from freezing during winter. __________________ The reason I joined this forum was to share experiences, my own and those of others and to learn from them.

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