leaf damage

sunfish · 06-30-2008, 03:20 PM

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DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT CAUSES THIS. THIS IS A NEW LEAF WHICH EMERGED LIKE THIS.THANKYOU.

Veroni · 07-01-2008, 10:45 AM

I don't exactly _know_, but my first guess would be lack of minerals.

Taylor · 07-01-2008, 11:00 AM

My California Gold did that, first leaf after being stored for winter. I think the cold and being bare-root disrupted the formation of the leaf. They are all fine now, and it even has a flag leaf!

AltadenaGarden · 07-01-2008, 11:04 AM

Was the leaf edge brown and burnt while it was rolled up?

sunfish · 07-01-2008, 11:23 AM

It Is Possible The Leave Was Brown On Edge I Dont Remember Seeing That. We Had Very Hot Weather Last Week. I Guess I Will See How The Next Leaf Does .thanks Alot.

Dean W. · 07-01-2008, 01:03 PM

Wow, that's strange!

chrisltropical · 07-01-2008, 11:22 PM

The last three leaves on one of my basjoos looks like that too. I'd be interested in knowing the cause and if there is a way to fix it.

Here's a picture

Just today I noticed the next unfurled leaf that is showing looks deformed.

sunfish · 07-01-2008, 11:26 PM

Looks The Same As Mine, Like Someone Took A Big Bite Out Of It.

sunfish · 07-02-2008, 06:51 PM

The Same As Mine , Like Something Took A Big Bite Out Of It.

chrisltropical · 07-02-2008, 10:29 PM

Checked the progress of my damaged basjoo today. Lo and behold saw this....

closer look:

Must be the culprit?

Wonder what causes this?

Bananaman88 · 07-03-2008, 06:33 AM

I'm guessing that some small caterpillar or tiny beetle may cause this to happen. I've seen something simialar on my cannas, though not so much on my bananas. I haven't had any leafroller damage all year until the return of the rains (finally!) about two weeks ago. The leafroller damage began showing up yesterday. They could be the culprit. Do you guys ever notice any leaves stitched together with silk? If not, it's probably some other type of caterpillar.

sunfish · 07-03-2008, 09:38 AM

I Have Never Noticed Any Leaf Stitched Togeter. The Only Thing I Have Seen , Is Most Of The Leafs On This Plant Have A Small Scar All In The Same Place

sunfish · 07-05-2008, 09:00 PM

the new leaf on my ice cream looks fine , no damage. must have been the hot weather

Lagniappe · 07-05-2008, 10:37 PM

My Ice creams and Rajapuri did this last year and I fixed it with tea .This year I have had the problems in the same mats but the Ice creams pulled out of it .The Rajapuri are really bad off . I have two plants with flags on em' right now but the leaves are horrible. I even moved some to a different soil type (with more organic material) last year but they have this condition still . It has been much more severe in my plants than those in your pics and it's only in my Rajapuri mats and only in the larger plants.
Some leaves emerge in pieces and some with only the midrib intact.

stumpy4700 · 07-06-2008, 01:43 AM

Ok here is my Nino who has horrible leaf damage. Its not a bug or creature, but what am I doing wrong?

I have several holes in the bottom of the pots and it drains very well, so I dont think I'm over watering. Here's what the whole tree looks like. The leaves come out with this brown area. The brown is stuck together and does not let the leaf unfold and when it finally tears and opens the area dies quickly.

Please HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

bencelest · 07-06-2008, 01:53 AM

Exactly the same as my bananas. On some of them. I hope someone can tell us what is the cure.

stumpy4700 · 07-06-2008, 02:25 AM

Yea me too. I have have 7 others and they're fine. Its just this one.

jpfloors · 07-06-2008, 02:31 AM

Stumpy, I had two like that on a goldfinger of mine, but not as severe. I unraveled the leaf by hand, the next one had the same damage, but less, and then the one after was alright. I had just fertilized it a week before the perfect leaf emerged with organic (plant tone) 6-6-6 and it seemed to stop doing it all together and three leaves since, it's all good!

Veroni · 07-06-2008, 08:12 AM

Yeah, I think it might be lack of nutrients. My bird of paradise plant made two crumbled leaves like that after being in the same pot without fertilizer for a long time, and leaves look fine again after I repotted to new soil.

I read [1] that bananas need fertilizer with a 3-1-6 ratio, for example 6-2-12. They need a lot a K2O (potash dioxide). I thought that helpful, although the authors seem to regard only balbisiana and acuminata.

[1] "Banana Growing in the Florida Home Landscape", Crane et al, University of Florida: Banana Growing in the Florida Home Landscape

bencelest · 07-06-2008, 10:31 AM

Thanks for the good suggestion guys. I'll do just that- add more potassium.

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Veroni Location: Bielefeld, Germany Find me on the map! Name: Veroni Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 18 BananaBucks : 627 Feedback: 0 / 0% Thanks: 2 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts Welcomes: 0	Re: leaf damage I don't exactly _know_, but my first guess would be lack of minerals.

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sunfish sunfish's Photo Gallery Location: San Diego Find me on the map! Zone: 9-11 Name: Tony Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 156 BananaBucks : 5,019 Feedback: 2 / 100% Thanks: 20 Thanked 22 Times in 16 Posts Welcomes: 0	Re: leaf damage It Is Possible The Leave Was Brown On Edge I Dont Remember Seeing That. We Had Very Hot Weather Last Week. I Guess I Will See How The Next Leaf Does .thanks Alot. __________________ -SUNFISH-

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07-01-2008, 01:03 PM	#6 (permalink)
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chrisltropical Junior Member chrisltropical's Photo Gallery Location: Clay, NY Find me on the map! Zone: 6 Name: Chris Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 68 BananaBucks : 2,143 Feedback: 0 / 0% Thanks: 39 Thanked 4 Times in 1 Post Welcomes: 3	Re: leaf damage The last three leaves on one of my basjoos looks like that too. I'd be interested in knowing the cause and if there is a way to fix it. Here's a picture Just today I noticed the next unfurled leaf that is showing looks deformed.

07-01-2008, 11:26 PM	#8 (permalink)
sunfish sunfish's Photo Gallery Location: San Diego Find me on the map! Zone: 9-11 Name: Tony Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 156 BananaBucks : 5,019 Feedback: 2 / 100% Thanks: 20 Thanked 22 Times in 16 Posts Welcomes: 0	Re: leaf damage Looks The Same As Mine, Like Someone Took A Big Bite Out Of It. __________________ -SUNFISH-

07-02-2008, 06:51 PM	#9 (permalink)
sunfish sunfish's Photo Gallery Location: San Diego Find me on the map! Zone: 9-11 Name: Tony Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 156 BananaBucks : 5,019 Feedback: 2 / 100% Thanks: 20 Thanked 22 Times in 16 Posts Welcomes: 0	Re: leaf damage The Same As Mine , Like Something Took A Big Bite Out Of It. __________________ -SUNFISH-

07-02-2008, 10:29 PM	#10 (permalink)
chrisltropical Junior Member chrisltropical's Photo Gallery Location: Clay, NY Find me on the map! Zone: 6 Name: Chris Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 68 BananaBucks : 2,143 Feedback: 0 / 0% Thanks: 39 Thanked 4 Times in 1 Post Welcomes: 3	Re: leaf damage Checked the progress of my damaged basjoo today. Lo and behold saw this.... closer look: Must be the culprit? Wonder what causes this?

07-03-2008, 06:33 AM	#11 (permalink)
Bananaman88 Bananaculturist Bananaman88's Photo Gallery Location: Pearland, TX Find me on the map! Zone: 9 Name: Brent Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,026 BananaBucks : 7,337 Feedback: 15 / 100% Thanks: 101 Thanked 273 Times in 183 Posts Welcomes: 6	Re: leaf damage I'm guessing that some small caterpillar or tiny beetle may cause this to happen. I've seen something simialar on my cannas, though not so much on my bananas. I haven't had any leafroller damage all year until the return of the rains (finally!) about two weeks ago. The leafroller damage began showing up yesterday. They could be the culprit. Do you guys ever notice any leaves stitched together with silk? If not, it's probably some other type of caterpillar.

07-03-2008, 09:38 AM	#12 (permalink)
sunfish sunfish's Photo Gallery Location: San Diego Find me on the map! Zone: 9-11 Name: Tony Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 156 BananaBucks : 5,019 Feedback: 2 / 100% Thanks: 20 Thanked 22 Times in 16 Posts Welcomes: 0	Re: leaf damage I Have Never Noticed Any Leaf Stitched Togeter. The Only Thing I Have Seen , Is Most Of The Leafs On This Plant Have A Small Scar All In The Same Place __________________ -SUNFISH-

07-05-2008, 09:00 PM	#13 (permalink)
sunfish sunfish's Photo Gallery Location: San Diego Find me on the map! Zone: 9-11 Name: Tony Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 156 BananaBucks : 5,019 Feedback: 2 / 100% Thanks: 20 Thanked 22 Times in 16 Posts Welcomes: 0	Re: leaf damage the new leaf on my ice cream looks fine , no damage. must have been the hot weather __________________ -SUNFISH-

07-05-2008, 10:37 PM	#14 (permalink)
Lagniappe Banana Padawan Lagniappe's Photo Gallery Location: North La Find me on the map! Zone: 8 Name: Pete Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 793 BananaBucks : 6,471 Feedback: 18 / 100% Thanks: 161 Thanked 134 Times in 83 Posts Welcomes: 192	Re: leaf damage My Ice creams and Rajapuri did this last year and I fixed it with tea .This year I have had the problems in the same mats but the Ice creams pulled out of it .The Rajapuri are really bad off . I have two plants with flags on em' right now but the leaves are horrible. I even moved some to a different soil type (with more organic material) last year but they have this condition still . It has been much more severe in my plants than those in your pics and it's only in my Rajapuri mats and only in the larger plants. Some leaves emerge in pieces and some with only the midrib intact. __________________ I'm not tipsy ! I'm just not very articulate and maybe a lil tipsy .

07-06-2008, 01:43 AM	#15 (permalink)
stumpy4700 stumpy4700 's Photo Gallery Location: Cane Ridge Tn. Find me on the map! Zone: Zone 6-7 Name: Stumpy Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 286 BananaBucks : 1,498 Feedback: 1 / 100% Thanks: 145 Thanked 56 Times in 47 Posts Welcomes: 247	Re: leaf damage Ok here is my Nino who has horrible leaf damage. Its not a bug or creature, but what am I doing wrong? I have several holes in the bottom of the pots and it drains very well, so I dont think I'm over watering. Here's what the whole tree looks like. The leaves come out with this brown area. The brown is stuck together and does not let the leaf unfold and when it finally tears and opens the area dies quickly. Please HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

07-06-2008, 01:53 AM	#16 (permalink)
bencelest Banana Nut bencelest's Photo Gallery Location: California Zone 9 Zone: 9 Name: Benny Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,415 BananaBucks : 6,567 Feedback: 2 / 100% Thanks: 2 Thanked 120 Times in 108 Posts Welcomes: 0	Re: leaf damage Exactly the same as my bananas. On some of them. I hope someone can tell us what is the cure. __________________ Banana Nut

07-06-2008, 02:25 AM	#17 (permalink)
stumpy4700 stumpy4700 's Photo Gallery Location: Cane Ridge Tn. Find me on the map! Zone: Zone 6-7 Name: Stumpy Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 286 BananaBucks : 1,498 Feedback: 1 / 100% Thanks: 145 Thanked 56 Times in 47 Posts Welcomes: 247	Re: leaf damage Yea me too. I have have 7 others and they're fine. Its just this one.

07-06-2008, 02:31 AM	#18 (permalink)
jpfloors Banana Nut jpfloors's Photo Gallery Location: Rockledge, FL (The Space Coast) Find me on the map! Zone: 10a Name: Josh Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 664 BananaBucks : 6,458 Feedback: 12 / 100% Thanks: 136 Thanked 87 Times in 61 Posts Welcomes: 54	Re: leaf damage Stumpy, I had two like that on a goldfinger of mine, but not as severe. I unraveled the leaf by hand, the next one had the same damage, but less, and then the one after was alright. I had just fertilized it a week before the perfect leaf emerged with organic (plant tone) 6-6-6 and it seemed to stop doing it all together and three leaves since, it's all good! __________________ I'll show you my banana if you show me yours!!!

07-06-2008, 08:12 AM	#19 (permalink)
Veroni Location: Bielefeld, Germany Find me on the map! Name: Veroni Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 18 BananaBucks : 627 Feedback: 0 / 0% Thanks: 2 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts Welcomes: 0	Re: leaf damage Yeah, I think it might be lack of nutrients. My bird of paradise plant made two crumbled leaves like that after being in the same pot without fertilizer for a long time, and leaves look fine again after I repotted to new soil. I read [1] that bananas need fertilizer with a 3-1-6 ratio, for example 6-2-12. They need a lot a K2O (potash dioxide). I thought that helpful, although the authors seem to regard only balbisiana and acuminata. [1] "Banana Growing in the Florida Home Landscape", Crane et al, University of Florida: Banana Growing in the Florida Home Landscape

07-06-2008, 10:31 AM	#20 (permalink)
bencelest Banana Nut bencelest's Photo Gallery Location: California Zone 9 Zone: 9 Name: Benny Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,415 BananaBucks : 6,567 Feedback: 2 / 100% Thanks: 2 Thanked 120 Times in 108 Posts Welcomes: 0	Re: leaf damage Thanks for the good suggestion guys. I'll do just that- add more potassium. __________________ Banana Nut