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fishoifc

09-06-2010 11:31 AM

Re: Kru

Hey Ron it looks similar but I dont think its Kru. The Kru seem to have a wing thing happening on the petiole right before the leaf starts.They also have a dark burgandy color down the center vein when young.

Worm_Farmer

09-06-2010 02:12 PM

Re: Kru

I would like to update and also say, Kru is nice looking but very cold sensitive and dies back very fast from little cold. Kru always seems to look ratty or in poor condition, the leafs die back pretty quick. It has been a slow grower for me 2nd year and still no fruit. It is a good looking plant but I have decided that Kru needs to be further south then my zone 9b. I will be replacing the Kru with either a Raja Puri of Dwarf Namwah soon.

I have been told by a few people that Kru is the BEST tasting banana there is. I can not speak from experience, but I will say when you keep it trimmed and warm it looks very nice and I really like the color show you get as the fruit ripens.

I am not trying to discourage you in anyway, by all means give it a try. I am even willing to send you a pup to get you started. Kru is a fun grow and the color show impresses most(including myself).

ron_mcb

09-06-2010 03:36 PM

Re: Kru

pretty sure it wasn't kru after comparing the pics... i just want some of the people who have grown iholena (red or white form) to speak about the red splashes on the top of the leaves... with every person i ask the conversation usually goes dead. i wonder what ever happened to a simple i dont know,or i cant recall?? i have heard several times that the iholena is supposed to be difficult to grow,and thats as far as i can get anyone to elaborate.. weird.

when i look at pics of any form of iholena i never really see any red splashes because of one of the same reasons the photos are too dark, dont really show good detail , or the leaves in the pics are shredded too badly.. im wondering if the red splashes fade away as the plant matures?? mine is a little taller than waist high now and its growing. most of the iholena pics i see are not taken in the Continental 48 states,and they are mature,and its odd that i never see any pups in the pics so i can compare..

if anyone wants to comment the pics are right there.

im thinking there is only one way to find out for sure..... observe it ,and get the plant to fruit maybe next year... :lurk:

sunfish

09-06-2010 05:21 PM

Re: Kru

No red splashes on my Iholena

sunfish

09-06-2010 05:28 PM

Re: Kru

Quote:

Originally Posted by ron_mcb (Post 140638)

kru v/s red iholena i know since everyone is still learning there will be lots of mistakes, but whats the verdict here.. i kept asking about the red splotches on the top leaves of my red iholena and no one growing red iholena had anything to say about it.. only one member said his red iholena never had any red splotches on the top of the leaf ever.. he thinks red splotches may indicate kru. i have never grown kru so i cant really say anything for sure.

i dont think this this plant is kru . i noticed all of the people posting kru picks dont have any red wine color on the leaf's underside. my plant (red iholena?) has plenty of it ... also my p stem has more of it than any kru pics. i dont think many people (probably none) on this site have really fruited and confirmed red iholena. there is really no noticeable green in the p-stem as of today its virtually all wine. i can post more updated pics to illustrate... i know what iholena fruits look like (fruit flesh is salmon color) because i have a few pics of the iholena fruit (no leaf pics).. i think i can easily id it when i get fruit.. i cant post the pics i already have because they dont belong to me.

The p-stem on my Red Iholena is all green. The midrib on Kru is a pink/red that I dont see on Iholena

ron_mcb

09-06-2010 06:53 PM

Re: Kru

Quote:

Originally Posted by sunfish (Post 140750)

The p-stem on my Red Iholena is all green. The midrib on Kru is a pink/red that I dont see on Iholena

thanks tony..

1. you didnt get your plant as a tissue culture did you??
2.did you get one form or another of your iholena to fruit once?
3.if so was the flesh like a cantaloupe's flesh in color??

maybe we can get down to the bottom of this sooner or later...maybe i should contact an expert on iholenas (i hope) and see if i can get a shout back. i think it was last year (before i got this plant) i was chatting to this woman about iholenas once. i will see if i can find her. i will ask her about red splashes.. another opinion wont hurt.

sunfish

09-06-2010 07:03 PM

Re: Kru

Quote:

Originally Posted by ron_mcb (Post 140759)

I had a white Iholena fruit. the fruit was cantaloupe/Salmon color. The Red was a tc very similar to the white but the underside of the leaf is much darker and the plant is much taller.I'd bet it's the real deal

sunfish

09-06-2010 07:44 PM

Re: Kru

kru

ron_mcb

09-06-2010 08:15 PM

Re: Kru

i dug up the contacts:0517:
thanks tony i gave my pictures to a few people who may be able to help...( i would assume) since they should see the things almost daily and work in conservation of native Hawaiian plants .. i will post what they say on this thread soon as i get a shout back.:nanadrink:

sunfish

09-06-2010 08:40 PM

Re: Kru

Ron look at the pic's of Red Iholena at Encanto Farms. Perfect match for your plant.My Red Iholene is shaded maybe that's why it's p stem does not have the red .

ron_mcb

09-07-2010 08:06 AM

Re: Kru

Quote:

Originally Posted by sunfish (Post 140775)

Ron look at the pic's of Red Iholena at Encanto Farms. Perfect match for your plant.My Red Iholene is shaded maybe that's why it's p stem does not have the red .

i saw that. the iholena in the pic and mine are about the same size,and look identical. the only thing thats bothering me are the red splashes that are present on mine...i know there are many forms of iholena but i would still like to hear what the iholena experts (or so i hope) have to say.

Caloosamusa

09-09-2010 07:39 AM

Re: Kru

Kru like Red Iholena likes partial shade and Wind protection. Then they do extremely well. I have two Kru mats in full sun and they do not grow as well and have produced no pups yet. At the same time 3 Kru mats in partial shade are twice the size with many pups on each mat.

Kru in full sun.

Kru in partial shade.

Red Iholenas behave the same same way, they must be protected from the wind first, with partial shading. The two shaded mats of Red Iholenas have more than four times the growth rate of the non-shaded mat.

Red Iholena that is wind protected and in partial shade.

I hope this helps.:2239:

mushtaq86

09-09-2010 04:17 PM

Re: Kru

Any red iholene pups i have seen have never had red splashes on the leaves,mine never had any. The only red was on p-stem and underside of the leaves.If you look at caloosamusa 1st pic of kru which is in the sun,the second leaf on the right next to the petotel it has two red splashes on it.caloosamusa large red ihoelne has no red splashes on the leaves,until you zoom in on the pup which has faint red splashes on. Matt kaczerat thread my red kru,his kru has red splashes on the leaves.I guess the mystery continues.

ron_mcb

09-10-2010 08:29 PM

Re: Kru

Quote:

Originally Posted by mushtaq86 (Post 140950)

Any red iholene pups i have seen have never had red splashes on the leaves,mine never had any. The only red was on p-stem and underside of the leaves.caloosamusa large red ihoelne has no red splashes on the leaves,until you zoom in on the pup which has faint red splashes on. .

thanks mushtaq
the plant came from agristarts i dont know exactly where they obtained their mother block .

after questioning one seller who grew these "red iholenas" from agristarts. she told me hers had the red blotches on the top leaves untill the plant matured (maybe like calamoosa's plant). she has been the only person who really talked about the blotches on the agristarts "red iholena"... she has probably since gone missing:ha:

seriously after talking to a hand full of people from the Polynesian triangle, i have come to to the conclusion that this plant is more than likely a member the iholena subgroup.
everyone i showed the pic to commented about the super red pigmentation, and the red blotches on the top leaf. most agreed that it had the outward appearance of iholena type bananas. no one wanted to call it red iholena. i think mostly everyone has a fear of being wrong? i wont quote anyone i questioned directly because of this.

as i said before i will have to agree that it looks like a member of the iholena subgroup and leave it at that for now.. i may have fruit by next year. i will keep everyone interested up to date on any new developments.

MediaHound

09-10-2010 09:07 PM

Re: Kru