I dont think basjoo can handle full sun in the middle of the country

siege2050 · 06-09-2015, 03:31 PM

I have Basjoo, both big established plants, and small and from what I can tell, Basjoo does not like full sun in Oklahoma. I of course planted them in full sun, as all sites say full sun lol, water twice daily, but mine are trying to burn, and wilt in anything over 88 degrees when the sun is out, anybody else have different results? Is Basjoo best grown in part shade in the middle of the US? My Orinoco dont get phased, or my Sikkimensis strangely enough, just the basjoo, all ten plants.

Kevin2685 · 06-09-2015, 03:52 PM

I grow mine in full sun and they do great. Maybe you have less humidity or not sure what the difference would be. I don't even water mine everyday. The next 2 days are supposed to be 90 degrees so we will see how they handle it but last year I didn't have any problems.

siege2050 · 06-09-2015, 04:37 PM

Hmm, that is strange. I would say its a weak plant, but I have plants from 3 sources, its 90 right now and pretty high humidity, but very sunny. It was cloudy all last month, so maybe they are having to adjust. I hope they grow out of it, they look pretty bad lol

Olafhenny · 06-09-2015, 05:01 PM

There is no doubt, that bananas prefer mottled shade and humid air. That is the prevalent
environment, where they come from.

However I have seen them tolerate full sun in relatively arid conditions well in Mexican
orchards. It might be that in the orchard environment the leaves are fully exposed, but
the roots are partly protected by some shade. If that is the case, then (leaf-) mulching
might help in your case.

Olafhenny · 06-09-2015, 05:09 PM

PS: My basjoos tolerate heat well. Right now it is 90^F, but they have been exposed to
more that 100^ in arid conditions in previous year and will be again in July/August.
Though their roots are at least in partial shade.

Snarkie · 06-09-2015, 05:44 PM

Are you watering the ground or the entire plant?

a.hulva@coxinet.net · 06-09-2015, 06:28 PM

I have two that are the real deal and properly identified. Both are small and have been in full sun for a month and a half. No sign of any problems. I am in Edmond, Ok so conditions are same or worse. Every two or three days on water is plenty. May too much or too hot on fertilizer?

siege2050 · 06-09-2015, 06:34 PM

I water well and make sure its a deep watering, I kinda think it might be that the base of the plant is getting too hot, I just finished throwing about 3 inches of compost and leaves around the base of the plant, hopefully that will help, also I might be fertilizing when its too hot.

Snarkie · 06-09-2015, 07:55 PM

You might consider using some netting to partially shade the plant or the ground. Mulch can heat up and become useless after a while, but leaving an air space will act like true shade and keep the ground cooler.

Mauro Gibo · 06-09-2015, 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by siege2050

I have Basjoo, both big established plants, and small and from what I can tell, Basjoo does not like full sun in Oklahoma. I of course planted them in full sun, as all sites say full sun lol, water twice daily, but mine are trying to burn, and wilt in anything over 88 degrees when the sun is out, anybody else have different results? Is Basjoo best grown in part shade in the middle of the US? My Orinoco dont get phased, or my Sikkimensis strangely enough, just the basjoo, all ten plants.

Howdy! I have been living in the Basjoo country these past 50 years and I've been growing Basjoo for about 15 years after I learned of its existence. We have M. Basjoo growing everywhere in Japan except Okinawa and Bonin Islands where the climate is subtropical. In Okinawa the sun rays are too strong for the Basjoo. Even here in mainland Japan, the Basjoo grows well in places partially shaded. We have a monsoon climate here in Japan, it's very hot and humid during the summer. It seems that the Basjoo goes dorment in mid-summer stopping its growth as well as in the winter. My personal opinion is that the Basjoo should not be considered a banana plant which loves sunshine. Conclusion: It should be planted in a place partially shaded avoiding the afternoon sun. Cheers!

hybridpower · 06-10-2015, 06:21 PM

Mine are doing ok in Phoenix... they fold in the sun, but "reinflate" in the evening. In the heat you need deep water for the roots to pick back up once the sun is off them (notice I didn't say "once it cools," as we don't do that in summer!).

hydroid · 06-10-2015, 06:38 PM

How old are they? It took mine a few years before they acclimated to the heat, as a matter of fact I thought I was going to lose them the first couple of years in full sun but they came back. They are the first to flower every year now. I actually have a flower now. Hope this helps.

Olafhenny · 06-10-2015, 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hybridpower

Mine are doing ok in Phoenix... they fold in the sun, but "reinflate" in the evening. In the heat you need deep water for the roots to pick back up once the sun is off them (notice I didn't say "once it cools," as we don't do that in summer!).

To paraphrase old 'Blue Eyes':

Phoenix, if they can make it there, they can make it anywhere. Well,- maybe not in the
polar regions

hybridpower · 06-10-2015, 09:50 PM

these ones are less than a year old, this is their first full Phoenix summer. That's why I said they look okay, one of them has picked up a little leaf burn on the edges, but the other two are doing very well. The one that's burned a bit is in full Sun all day, no shade. I do agree with you though, it does seem to take a while to fullyI do agree Most of my plants, of any time, if they can make it through the first Phoenix summer, make it in the long run.

siege2050 · 06-10-2015, 11:36 PM

My large ones have had two full years in the sun, the smaller ones are in their first year. I think maybe where the tops of the old dark brown corms that died back were in full sun might have been absorbing too much heat, and the new sprouts might not have enough root system to take up water since one side is attached to the old corm. I buried the old corms and the lower part of the new 2 1/2 foot sprouts and the leaves that emerged so far have not burned. I have noticed that when it gets hot some bananas do indeed slow down their growth like my sikkimensis, they fold their leaves midday but don't seem to have any issue with burning, but their leaves are a lot thicker, basjoo leaves are a bit fragile.

a.hulva@coxinet.net · 06-12-2015, 01:05 PM

Roots are probably not developed enough to absorb enough water to support the plant in hot weather. How was the plant planted? What type sand/soil?

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hybridpower Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 97 BananaBucks : 31,864 Feedback: 1 / 100% Said "Thanks" 13 Times Was Thanked 169 Times in 58 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 2 Times	Re: I dont think basjoo can handle full sun in the middle of the country Mine are doing ok in Phoenix... they fold in the sun, but "reinflate" in the evening. In the heat you need deep water for the roots to pick back up once the sun is off them (notice I didn't say "once it cools," as we don't do that in summer!).

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hybridpower Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 97 BananaBucks : 31,864 Feedback: 1 / 100% Said "Thanks" 13 Times Was Thanked 169 Times in 58 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 2 Times	Re: I dont think basjoo can handle full sun in the middle of the country these ones are less than a year old, this is their first full Phoenix summer. That's why I said they look okay, one of them has picked up a little leaf burn on the edges, but the other two are doing very well. The one that's burned a bit is in full Sun all day, no shade. I do agree with you though, it does seem to take a while to fullyI do agree Most of my plants, of any time, if they can make it through the first Phoenix summer, make it in the long run.

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