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Old 05-06-2009, 11:48 AM   #81 (permalink)
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Well i haven't updated this thread in a wile but i wanted to share my observations thus far.
its now May my Bananas have gone threw one summer and one winter mostly in pots. but one has been in the ground now for the entire year. the one in the grown frosted back about 20% and took allot longer then the potted ones which were protected from the cold by bring inside. even with its loss of leafs and subsequent slower start its out pacing the potted plants. just by observation the leafs on the in grown Ic are better formed stand up to wind more and are generally healthier looking. i have to conclude that if you live in a hot dry environment that in ground growing on the east side of the house is by far superior to pot grown Bananas. i attribute this to more even moisture control along with ample space for root development. how ever for maximum growing one must amend or replace salty alluvial soils with highly active organically enriched substrates possessing micros and add microsomal. are salty soils have little if any microsomal activity. do to the toxic nature of not only the Ph but also are levels of boron which interferes in there metabolism of nutrients as well as the plants.

so in conclusion don't bee chicken take that darn things out of there pots and put them in the grown. it may be 110 out side but in general Bananas do not do that well in post to begin with. they will thank you even with the occasional frost we get in the high desert regions of North America. Bananas can be grown successfully in the desert if one is willing to be patient and watch for the signs that plants give us. they will tell you every thing you need to know if you will only learn there language.

the next faze of this although unscientific journal will be an evaluation of which types of Bananas do the best with the heat. this trail involves 160 plants currently in possession between Chironex and my self.

Just based on what we have observed thus far all say Ice Cream (blue Java)
do really well also dwarf Brazilian. mostly what i would expect as they are both tough little bananas. besides heat thees plants must tolerate frost as well as several months of high winds ranging from 10mph to as high this year as 75mph. rapid cycling of heat and cold in bridge months of march and November. thees are stressfully conditions no doubt but which Bananas will do the best only time will tell.

PS as some suitable time in the near future i will wright a simple growing in the desert guide that i will post in the wiki for any one that wishes to get the lowdown
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Thanks Pauly, by posting this info you're helping all of us with the update. Not only those in your climate.
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Thanks Pauly, by posting this info you're helping all of us with the update. Not only those in your climate.
thanks Bob! i think you are right there are many aspects of this thread that show how threw constant observation one can with just some basic knowledge
figure out whats up with ones plants and know exactly what to do to optimize your success in growing them the study of plants is an age old preoccupation of human beings I'm not really saying any thing new but what is new is that really for free dose any one impart this kind of information put forth in simple lay terms so easy any one could not help but to gain at least something from the reading of it and also the ability to see just how i came to believe what it was i was seeing and how i put it to use and adapted to the ever changing nature of the environment
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Thanks Paulo - it just shows how someone with intelligence and observation can overcome what others say are adverse conditions! Makes me feel humble when they grow here without any effort. Congratulations and go for it!!!

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Here are pictures of my Banana plant, an ice cream planted in a partial shady area. There are now 7 pups growing around the base, they seem to keep coming. I am in Chandler Arizona, its been over 100 the past 10 days and they have been growing like weeds, except the main plant has been getting "burned" somewhat as the very top gets the most sun. Funny I have another ice cream I planted at the same time, Mar 2008 that gets full sun. Its only about a foot tall, while this one is going on ten feet!!
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Here are pictures of my Banana plant, an ice cream planted in a partial shady area. There are now 7 pups growing around the base, they seem to keep coming. I am in Chandler Arizona, its been over 100 the past 10 days and they have been growing like weeds, except the main plant has been getting "burned" somewhat as the very top gets the most sun. Funny I have another ice cream I planted at the same time, Mar 2008 that gets full sun. Its only about a foot tall, while this one is going on ten feet!!
thank you for adding to my ongoing Desert thread vary few if any have contributed its a fascinating study as to you comments well normal growing Practices never work out in the desert iv found that shade on the east side dose the best although i have a few on the north side of my house protected by a gazebo places on the west side of them that way there shaded after about 2pm iv also noted that watering every day whether the pot feels dry or not is the key which means more firt at least every two weeks do to the rapid wash out in pots but really growing them in a highly organic soil in ground works the best just watch out for photoresperation if that sets in your done with any growth for the summer watering when ever the leafs close up helps pull them out of this iv been using a soaker hose that sprays rather then the drip kind really helps to bring a cooling to the area around them I'm not sure most people would want to go to the trouble of growing then thou you would have to be the kind of person that just loves them more than any thing to put up with it (full time job) I'm debating it at this point if I'm really that kind of person theirs so many other things i can grow here easer but im stuck i have a hard time throwing away plants that iv slaved over for 2 years
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Damaclese, it looks like you grow most of yours in pots? Mine are in a raised bed and I just let them grow. They have been pretty easy to care for, I only had to cover them up for a few nights last winter becuase it got down to 30 degrees or so. I just use drip irrigation to water them, every so often I will soak the bed with the hose and add some miracle grow. Hopefully they will keep growing with little care. I think its going to be a long hot (at least longer and hotter than normal), as it been 100 degrees+ since the first of May.... I remember last May was much cooler... Anyway good luck on your desert planting too!
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i have a dwarf brazillan 1 Ice Cream and 3 enset ventracosum in the ground
i have about 8 difrint ones all quite smal and to tender to stay out side here in Las Vegas i have an Ae Ae in a pot one really gigantic IC that is in a pot but its going in the ground in the fall after the heat brakes so no most of them are in the ground the smaler ones were all gifts and im not sure what to do with them i only have one tropical garden bed iv found that younger plants strugal here but ones there biger they do all right

O and i have to water every day its not just hot here im at farly high altitud 3000ft and its quite windy so things dry out fast
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OK this posting is on how Baby Banana offspring grow in desert conditions
Some of this is going to sound familiar as every ones to some degree has had some experience with the traits of Bananas that have pupped and how those pups respond

the basic observation is that in temps reaching the high 90s to low 100 the Pups that are aloud to stay on their parent grow fast really fast compared to the parents on initial planting this is unremarkable if one was observing this in relationship to say a zone 10 tropical coastal climate but being that this is a zone 9 Mediterranean climate and a high mountainous desert one at that this seems remarkable to me pups of 12 to 16" have leaf sizes that rival there parent plant by as much as 50% at the same size so I'm concluding that for reasons yet unknown known thees pup have mad an adaptation to the harsher climate
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one that the parent plant helps to support the pup wail its attached this is a well know aspect of Banana culture but i also hypothesize that threw the process of pupping the immature or in-vitro cell clusters emerging from the parent go threw a metamorphosis that changes there adaptive ability's allowing them to grow in this harsher climate Leaf structures are thicker at younger stages and the number of pours on the leafs are fewer there by reducing over all dehydration also as compared to the mother plants there ability to withstand the high light levels is substantially grater mid day burning is minimal also the meristem is thicker early on i have no idea why that is if any one cares to put forth a hypotheses on that i would be ever so grateful it is probably do to this adaptation but it could be do to the higher levels of nutritional support received from the parent who knows also thees pups are growing in native earth as compared to the parent plant wish spent the first 6 to 8 months in a pot so obviously they have room to grow lager root systems earlier on then there parent did what will be optimal is to see when thees pups produce their own pups this will give us an even grater opportunity to possibly confirm the above hypothesis this is just an observation and not really scientific so you do your own research
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Interesting, thats how my pups are growing, the leaves are huge. Can you tell me how to separate a pup from the mother plant so i can plant elsewhere? Is there a certain size I need to look for, do I dig straight down etc. Thanks for any help!
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We have an excellent thread on that, Ronald.

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Thanks Lorax! Great stuff there, I guess they are not as fragile plants as I think they are.... Im gonna give it a shot.
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Well I tried it last night, but I think I messed up, I cut through the white part and did not get any roots with it. I still replanted it, so I'll see what happens. This morning it was looking pretty droopy. If it dies I will try again!
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when i separate them i dig down around them with my hand that way i don't risk cutting them with my shovel its always a pretty good idea to wait until there fair sized to separate them that way you can be reasonably sure they have some roots this is particularly important in desert climates you know leaving up to two pups on the mothers is always a good idea that way you have a steady supply of fruit on a yearly bases that one you separated dig it up and put it in a pot for the summer take it inside its never going to live just sticking it in the ground the heat will kill it with in a day like i said in the previous posts they are fragile until they get some size on them that first year is tough for the pups
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this has been such a good year for the Bananas i took some pictures so every one could see how there doing

Blue Java with first pup





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that big leaf is the pup not the momma



Brazilian with amaranths growing in back ground note how they have almost coved the Blue Jave growing in them



Potted Ae Ae after it finally cam out of its shock from being moved out side

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Glad to see your Ae Ae is doing well, Pauly. I remember when it had skinny leaves like one of mine. They both have nice big fat leaves now. The others I've had never had skinny leaves so I'm curious as to if it's related to a particular strain or something else.
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well this one im sure was not geting the right food i started it on Keloggs organic with microsomeals and thats when it started throwing theas big wide one all the bananas i have leafs started changing shapes when i swiched to this new firtalizer
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Damaclese, it looks like you grow most of yours in pots? Mine are in a raised bed and I just let them grow. They have been pretty easy to care for, I only had to cover them up for a few nights last winter becuase it got down to 30 degrees or so. I just use drip irrigation to water them, every so often I will soak the bed with the hose and add some miracle grow. Hopefully they will keep growing with little care. I think its going to be a long hot (at least longer and hotter than normal), as it been 100 degrees+ since the first of May.... I remember last May was much cooler... Anyway good luck on your desert planting too!
I'm in Arizona also, North East Mesa, so not too far from you. My bananas have been growing like weeds also. In fact twelve of them are currently fruiting. Mine get very little shade, getting blasted by the sun doesn't seem to affect them as long as you water them enough.
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Your plants are looking great, buddy! Keep up the good work.
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