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Old 06-05-2008, 01:52 PM   #21 (permalink)
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We shall overcome and prevail. Of course it might take us some time, but hey, it'll be fun. I am studying tissue culture now so that we can put some real meat into our efforts. It might take me awhile to get my arms around this subject, but I think it will benefit us in the long run.
By the way, I got a line on some Mysore and Monthan, plus some others that are supposedly heat and drought tolerant, edible bananas. When I get out there, I will have them shipped to me. Then we can get really put our heads together and find what works and what doesn't. Can't wait to begin!!!
Oh, and I am also looking into growing black bamboo as a wind/sunscreen. I have several seeds and just got some seedlings going, too.
wow cool i was going to order some black banboo be carfull only plant it in pots that u can bary and leav the lip of the tub at least 3"
above the soil it runs like you cant beleve its considers invasiv im 38 states
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Well I started my time line. What is the purpose or goal of this?
Is it to find a banana that does well and distribute the offspring?
Is it General knowledge on how to successfully grow bananas in the desert?
Or do you want just a fun time line
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We shall overcome and prevail. Of course it might take us some time, but hey, it'll be fun. I am studying tissue culture now so that we can put some real meat into our efforts. It might take me awhile to get my arms around this subject, but I think it will benefit us in the long run.
By the way, I got a line on some Mysore and Monthan, plus some others that are supposedly heat and drought tolerant, edible bananas. When I get out there, I will have them shipped to me. Then we can get really put our heads together and find what works and what doesn't. Can't wait to begin!!!
Oh, and I am also looking into growing black bamboo as a wind/sunscreen. I have several seeds and just got some seedlings going, too.
Tissue culturing will just get you clones of the parent plant. What we really need to figure out is how to insert genes into the banana genome. Find the gene that gives M. basjoo resistance to cold and insert it in other banana species. It might even be possible to find some sort of "heat tolerance" gene from another type of plant such as a palm. There are plenty of strategies used by plants that may be as simple as expressing a certain protein. We are talking millions of dollars worth of equiptment and many years to pull something like that off though. Easier way is to make hybrids by simple cross pollination and hope for the best. Getting two plants to flower within a week of each other (in Vegas)... going to be tricky.

They sell lots of types of bamboo in the nurseries in Vegas, but I never did see any growing in yards (and I was looking). I wonder how it does. I have been growing yellow-groove bamboo here in Salt Lake and it does amazing!
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Adam thers a hous just a cupal of blocks from me with some bambo growing in it but i have to agre iv not seen alot and i lony notesed this bimbo today when i was out doing my bike ride over at the wetlands park
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Well, so much to consider. Ok, I want to work on development of a hybrid that takes heat tolerance as well as drought tolerance and crummy soil tolerance into account. So far Mysore and Monthan seem to be the two leading candidates, but there are others. I think before we develop a timeline, we should all get our heads together and determine what goals we have. I am still going to learn tissue culture in case we come up with something that we want to reproduce from limited stock.
As to the Black Bamboo, I have 5 rhizomes of it now. So we will have plenty of that! I also have several seeds for bamboo of various species to try. Some are clumping and some are running, so we will see which works best for our needs.
Thanks for setting me straight on understanding what TC is, and is not. Shows how much I know about it at the present time, but I assure you that I will know a lot more in a few months. I spoke with Gabe about it too. I hope we can draw upon the experts to make this project both fun and rewarding.
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wow cool i was going to order some black banboo be carfull only plant it in pots that u can bary and leav the lip of the tub at least 3"
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Paully, The black bamboo I got is the clumping variety, so we will be ok. I forgot to mention that.
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Pauly, The black bamboo I got is the clumping variety, so we will be OK. I forgot to mention that.
its not Bamboo Nagra? (extremely invasive) which i thought was the only black species hmm whats the botanical name?

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I have rhysomes of Phyllostchys nigra, which is the running type, Bambusa lako (Timor Black) which is a clumping type and Giganttochloa atroviolacea, also a clumping type. Ordered Black Asper too which is Dendrocalamus asper betung hitam. It is also a clumping type that gets very tall.
Also have seeds for 5-10 other bamboos that are predominately clumping types. So we should have lots of fun with them.
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Also have seeds for 5-10 other bamboos that are predominately clumping types. So we should have lots of fun with them.
Any pics im familure with the Phyllostchys Nigra but not the others ?
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Most bamboos won't like the climate in Vegas. There are a few that are claimed to do fairly well. Those include Bambusa glaucescens, Bambusa multiplex riviereorum, and Bambusa oldhamii (giant timber bamboo). All are clumping. Or so says a book I have.

Probably a topic for another thread (or site), but what are you two thinking about palms? My list of suitable palms is...Washingtonia filifera, W. robusta, Phoenix dactylifera, P. canariensis, Brahea armata, B. clara, Sabal uresana, Trachycarpus fortunei, Chamaerops humilis, and Butia capitata. Possibly Bismarckia and Queen palm, but they are borderline.
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P. canariensis is really water-intensive in desert climates.
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I will post the stock pics. None planted yet, except the P. nigra that I just put in a 5 gal container today.
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Probably a topic for another thread (or site), but what are you two thinking about palms? My list of suitable palms is...Washingtonia filifera, W. robusta, Phoenix dactylifera, P. canariensis, Brahea armata, B. clara, Sabal uresana, Trachycarpus fortunei, Chamaerops humilis, and Butia capitata. Possibly Bismarckia and Queen palm, but they are borderline.
i don't think either of you will have any tubal finding palms to grow in Vegas the queen palm dos vary well here i know i have one Chamaerops humilis (Mediterranean Fan Palm Archontophoenix Cunninghamiana (king palm) Brahea Armata (Blue Hesper Palm) Brahea Edulis (Guadalupe Palm) Butia Capitata (Pindo/Jelly Palm) Cycas Revoluta (Sago Palm) Neodypsis Decaryii (Triangle Palm) Phoenix canariensis (Canary Island Date Palm the most exspesiv Palm in Vegas) a mature specimen could run u over a 1000$ Phoenix Reclinata (Reclinata Palm) Phoenix Roebelenii (Pygmy Date Palm) rather exspesiv here Trachycarpus Fortunei
(Windmill Palm) Phoenix Dactylifera (Date Palm) that should get you started most do quite well here there are defiantly other that you could try but those are the one you see all over Vegas pleas don't think I'm all that with palms i had to look most of thees up because I'm not one of those people that knows all the scientific names I'm not all that interested common names are good enough for me thats why i never know what you all are talking about until i look them up i suddenly realized i put some in that you did o well I'm not going to edit it now to much work
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OK I'm going to tell you all a Little something about my self 1 I'm sum what forgetful now you may ask your self what this has to do with growing bananas in the desert well all tell you last Saturday i decided to start my Ventricosum
and some white Cannes so i took out to clear glass jars with lids and put the seeds in them fill them with Ro water and set them out Side in the shade as the temps were around 85 do to a Werther front that had moved in and promptly forgot about them until Monday when the temps had risen to 90s when i remembered then they had been setting in the sun for some time and the water was quite hot i don't know exactly how hot but i would guess around 110 well i thought hell i cooked my seed but i know how tough banana and Canne seeds can be so i decided to plant them any way so i got the Jiff germination station out put the seeds in and placed the hole thing in the room i keep my orchids in its some what bright and warm around 80 that was on Monday well today is Friday and low and behold i have one Canna and one banana that have sprouted not so much that they have leafs but i can see parts of the white roots probably do to the fact the seed are upside down so the roots cam out of the top of the pot and are reburying them selves no i don't want to brag because it was all by accident but i think thats got to be a worlds record
so setting banana seeds in vary warm water mite be a trick to germinating them at leas ventricosum and lorx told me to put my canna seeds in to water that had just boild untill i hear them pop he said the would grow in just a few days what do you all think dumb but lucke a
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Not dumb luck at all when you think about the conditions under which bananas and cannas would naturally germinate. It gets bloody hot here, but moist as well, so the trick is often to really heat the seeds in a watery environment. What you did was pretty much bleedin' perfect at least according to what we do down here for seeded musaceae germination.
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WOW! That is really interesting. So, put them in real hot water (how hot) for a how long?
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well i remember i think it was you that talked about putting canna seeds in really hot water thats why i decided to go ahead and plant them as of this Am the one Canna seed has put up its first tinny leafs do you think i should take it out of the jiffy station and pot it up or Waite a couple of more days the humidity is only 20% here and i don't want to loose them right off but i also don't what them to damp off and Scot the time thy were in the water was approx 55hr and the water was about Bath temp i should have measured the temp but o well I'm defiantly going to try this again the one ventricosum is not out of the ground yet
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Curious, have any of the others sprouted?
Thanks for the tip.
Scot i don't see any more sprouted yet but that doesn't mean that they haven't they mite be setting in the pots right side down so their roots are not showing like the first one but statistical speaking theres 20 ventricosum seed so at least 2 or 3 have to have sprouted
Scot i hope you are going to take some of thees i don't know what all do if all 20 grow
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Pauly, it's a good problem to have, we will figure out something. Maybe we will open a banana stand!!!! (just kidding - no way I am standing in a tent in that heat!!!) Maybe we will grow some and sell our overflow to the casinos....who knows?
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